Talk:Josef Hoop

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Josef Hoop/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: TheBritinator (talk · contribs) 17:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Reviewer: Kimikel (talk · contribs) 13:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I am going to take a look at this as part of the July GAN backlog drive. Please expect a review in the next few days. Thank you - Kimikel (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Experienced reviewer: ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

VERDICT: @TheBritinator: This article needs some work before reaching GA quality. Below are some suggestions; please consider implementing them. I am going to put this review on a 7 day hold to permit you time to address my suggestions. Thank you! Kimikel (talk) 23:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. Please give me time. TheBritinator (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I meant to note that the 7 days are just an initial deadline; if you need more time, just let me know. Thank you for all of your work - Kimikel (talk) 00:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel I have addressed everything you have pointed out. Please make sure everything is in order. Thanks. TheBritinator (talk) 15:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@TheBritinator I think this article is GA quality. Since I am an inexperienced reviewer, this review will await verification by a more senior reviewer; during that time, I encourage you to see if you can get Wayback to work and get archive URLs for some of those sources. Regardless, thank you for your work and timely response - Kimikel (talk) 20:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Newspaper sources have now been archived. TheBritinator (talk) 16:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel Source spot check archives are done. Anything else? TheBritinator (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Shushugah is this review ready to be closed? Kimikel (talk) 18:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel @TheBritinator Very much so! Good work on the comprehensive spot checks! In the future, when referencing references by number, include a link to a specific diff, so that we can be certain about the specific refs. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

It would also just be easier to say to add a comma rather than rewriting the sentence with a comma added. TheBritinator (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm closing the review as a pass in that case. Thank you for your review and help @Shushugah, and congratulations @TheBritinator. Kimikel (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Feel free to close now. TheBritinator (talk) 00:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Well-written

• Copyvio check does not reveal any plagiarizing

Lead

• Merge into one paragraph, as your first paragraph is one sentence that currently floats by itself

 Done

Early life and diplomatic career

• "Hoop was born in Eschen on 14 December 1895 to his father Franz Josef Hoop who was a farmer and a deputy Member of Parliament and his mother Berta Batliner as one of nine children." > Hoop was born in Eschen on 14 December 1895 to Franz Josef Hoop, a farmer and deputy member of Parliament, and Berta Batliner; he was one of nine children.
• Merge first two paragraphs to avoid floating single sentence
• "After finishing his school" > After finishing his schooling there,
• "in 1920, with a doctorate" > in 1920 with a doctorate
• "in Vienna from 1920 until 1923, headed by Prince Eduard of Liechtenstein" > in Vienna, headed by Prince Eduard of Liechtenstein, from 1920 to 1923.
• "worked in removing" > worked towards the removal of
• "He had also complained about the low wages of the staff at the legation as it was not often satisfactory and catered for the operation of the legation.[6]" > He also raised concerns over the low wages of the legation's staff, stating that it was not sufficient for them to properly feed and clothe themselves.[6]
• "He visited the Minister of Foreign Affairs Alfred Grünberger regarding the closure who had also privately opposed it, which faced backlash from the Liechtenstein government as they had previously agreed to be represented by Switzerland instead" > He visited Austrian Minister of Foreign Affairs Alfred Grünberger regarding the closure, who had also privately opposed it. This led to Hoop being criticized in a letter by prime minister Gustav Schädler, as Liechtenstein's government had already agreed to be represented diplomatically by Switzerland.
• >"He was a member of the Historical Association for the Principality of Liechtenstein from 1921" > He became a member of the Historical Association for the Principality of Liechtenstein in 1921
• "From 1924 to 1928 he worked" > From 1924 to 1928, he worked
• Merge last paragraph with the previous one to avoid single sentence

 Done

Prime Minister of Liechtenstein

• "Due to the 1930 Liechtenstein by-election the" > As a result of the 1930 Liechtenstein by-election, the
• "During his time as Prime Minister, it" > During Hoop's time as Prime Minister, he
• "and to create job opportunities within the country" > and create job opportunities. (avoiding double use of "within the country")
• ", which was approved in 1930, started construction in 1931 and then completed in 1943." > . The project was approved in 1930; construction began in 1931 and was completed in 1943.
• "Vaterland to be searched for any letters to be confiscated and Vogelsang promptly left the country"

 Done

Spy Affair

• "In January 1937 Liechtensteiner Vaterland editor and founding member of the Liechtenstein Homeland Service Carl Freiherr von Vogelsang publicly denounced Jews living in Liechtenstein and sent numerous letters detailing them to officials in Nazi Germany."> In January 1937, Carl Freiherr von Vogelsang, editor of Liechtensteiner Vaterland and a founding member of the Liechtenstein Homeland Service, denounced Jews living in Liechtenstein in publications and in letters sent to Nazi German officials.
• "Hoop ordered the offices of the Vaterland to be searched for any letters to be confiscated and Vogelsang promptly left the country"> Hoop ordered a search of the offices of the Vaterland for any incriminating letters; Vogelsang promptly left the country.
• "The majority of the" > A majority of the
• "Eventually, in July 1937" > Eventually, in July 1937,
• "Vogelsang and was subsequently legally acquitted of any wrong-doing" > Vogelsang, and Hoop was subsequently legally acquitted of any wrong-doing.

 Done

Foreign policy and World War II

• "In 1936, Hoop pioneered an extradition treaty being signed between Liechtenstein and the United States." > In 1936, Hoop led the signature of an extradition treaty between Liechtenstein and the United States.
• "Since the rise of Nazi Germany in 1933 and the introduction of anti-Jewish laws in the country Liechtenstein experienced a large rise Jewish emigrants to the country in which Hoop's government had supported the naturalization of the refugees under a new citizenship law." > After the rise of Nazi Germany in 1933 and the introduction of anti-Jewish laws in the country, Liechtenstein experienced a large rise in Jewish immigrants. Hoop's government supported the naturalization of the refugees under a new citizenship law.
• "In doing this, Liechtenstein faced attacks from German press and internal sources such as the Liechtenstein Homeland Service bolstered by Franz I's wife, Princess Elsa of Liechtenstein being of Jewish relation" > In doing so, Liechtenstein faced attacks from the German press and from domestic sources, such as the Liechtenstein Homeland Service. These were bolstered by the fact that Franz I's wife, Princess Elsa of Liechtenstein, was of Jewish descent.
• "National-socialism" > national socialism
• "the coalition government formed to prevent government deadlock and help retain Liechtenstein's neutrality overseen by Franz Joseph II[b] along with Patriotic Union led by Otto Schaedler" > the coalition government formed alongside the Patriotic Union, with the goal of preventing government deadlock and retaining Liechtenstein's neutrality. Franz Joseph II oversaw the coalition.
• "the party secretary" > the secretary of Patriotic Union,
• "and replaced Anton Frommelt"> , replacing Anton Frommelt
• "Service, of which was" > Service, which was
• "(VDBL)" > this acronym isn't really necessary since it's never used again in article.
• "1938, the Hoop" > 1938, the Hoop government
• "faced with the challenge of Swiss" > faced with Swiss
• "of the transfer he"> of the transfer, he
• "such as the transfer" > such as through the transfer
• "1939 he along with Franz Joseph II and paid an official visit to Berlin where" > 1939, he, along with Franz Joseph II, made an official visit to Berlin, where
• "Ribbentrop where they" > Ribbentrop. The group
• "and stated that Hitler" > , stating that Hitler
• "de-facto" > de facto
• "in the Swiss"> into the Swiss
• "re-forming"> the reformation of

 Done

Resignation

• "Hoop resigned in September 1945, after serving in the premiership for seventeen years.[41][42] He formally did this due to his worsening heart condition and his desire to move on from the role, but also remarked that Franz Joseph II had pressured him to do so as he believed that the vision of a post-war Liechtenstein required a change in leadership due to the ongoing diplomatic crisis with the pro-axis First Russian National Army and pro-emperor Vladimir White emigres led by General Boris Smyslovsky that had taken refuge in the country a few months prior.[43][44] This de-facto dismissal of Hoop angered many within the Progressive Citizens' Party." > After seventeen years as Prime Minister, Hoop formally resigned due to a worsening heart condition and his desire to move on from the role. He also remarked that Franz Joseph II had pressured him to do so, as the prince believed that post-war Liechtenstein required a change in leadership. This belief stemmed from an ongoing diplomatic crisis involving the pro-Axis First Russian National Army led by General Boris Smyslovsky, which had taken refuge in Liechtenstein a few months prior.
• "de-facto" > de facto

 Done

Later life

• "In 1946 leaders of the German National Movement in Liechtenstein were prosecuted for the coup in 1939 and Hoop testified as a witness against them." > In 1946, Hoop testified as a witness against the leaders of the German National Movement in Liechtenstein after they were charged for their 1939 coup.
• "over their" > for their
• "Former members of Hoop's" > Multiple members of Hoop's
• "notably his" > including his
• "Vogt, but he was never charged" > Vogt; Hoop himself was never charged of anything.

This is supposed to mean that Vogt was never charged.

• "From 1948" > After graduating,
• "Liechtenstein, and president" > Liechtenstein and president
• "He went on to be" > He was also

 Done

Personal Life

• Since this whole section is two sentences, merge it either with Later life or Early life
• "Hoop married Emilie Gstöhl (27 February 1898 – 11 February 1997) in 1920 and they had no children" > Hoop married Emilie Gstöhl (27 February 1898 – 11 February 1997) in 1920; they had no children.
• "Liechtenstein from 1986 to 1993"> Liechtenstein; she served from 1986 to 1993.

 Done

Death and legacy

• "Fellow member of the Liechtenstein Historical Association and his successor as President of the Landtag of Liechtenstein, Martin Risch,"> Martin Risch, a member of the Liechtenstein Historical Association and Hoop's successor as President of the Landtag of Liechtenstein
• [b] "in Czechoslovakia, where he died on 25 July 1938 and Franz Joseph II formally succeeded him" > in Czechoslovakia. He died on 25 July 1938, and Franz Joseph II formally succeeded him.

 Done

Verifiable

• All of the sources I checked supported the preceding information. Article does not suffer from overuse of primary sources like before.
• Some sources are paywalled/blocked and need to be archived if possible:
  • "DR. JOSEF HOOP, 64, DEAD"
  • "Parliament Chief Dies"
  • "Liechtenstein Gets New Chief"

Wayback machine seems to be down right now, will try again later.

Spot check @TheBritinator:

[26]: Reliable, supports text, not primary.

[41]: Reliable, supports text, not primary.

[46]: does not have publisher in citation. Reliable, supports text, not primary.

[34]: inaccessible, needs to be archived if possible

[23]: lists the New York Times as an author. archive if possible

 Done

Broad

• Article is broad

Neutral

• Article is neutral

Stable

• Article is stable

Illustrated

• Images are beneficial to article and are all public domain.

Experienced reviewer feedback

Kimikel this review is generally comprehensive and I agree the article is probably GA status. Below is some feedback about your review to help it go above and beyond. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel Follow up ping. TheBritinator (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Check previous review

This is the second Good Article nomination, so check the feedback of Talk:Josef Hoop/GA1 and see whether the issue has been addressed/is still relevant. This also digs into specific spot checks. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Image copyright

WP:COPYRIGHT is quite complex. Most of the images are listed as public domain, except File:Staatswappen-Liechtensteins.svg which is freely licensed as CC BY-SA 3.0, which is permissible. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk)

Sourcing

When specifying the sources good, it's important to specify which sources you spot checked. You can assume good faith for sources you cannot access or read (language barriers), but checking 2-5 sources minimum is a good rule of thumb for the most common sources and are major claims, because even if the sources themselves are high quality, it's impossible to know whether they wp:verify a specific claim inside the article text. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Shushugah I will do my spot check above shortly - I had seen the original review and its overreliance on primary sources; when I reviewed the article originally I did a quick spot check to make sure the majority weren't primary and I saw that they weren't, but I didn't do official spot check, my mistake. Kimikel (talk) 19:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Not a requirement (for the GA status), but a friendly suggestion whenever there are WP:FOREIGNSOURCES please provide a trans-title to translate the English title, and also fully establish who the source is. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 22:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Josef Hoop

• ... that under the premiership of Josef Hoop (pictured), the Progressive Citizens' Party was the first party to hold an absolute majority in the Landtag?
  • ALT1: ... that Josef Hoop (pictured) visited Berlin in 1939, the first official diplomatic visit to Germany by Liechtenstein?
  • ALT2: ... that during a 1940 lecture in Stuttgart, Josef Hoop (pictured) showed respect for the German armies?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tupou VI
  • Comment: This is what I got. Feel free to suggest alternate hooks.

Improved to Good Article status by TheBritinator (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

TheBritinator (talk) 22:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC).

• Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. QPQ is done. Hooks are interesting and sourced. I think ALT1 is best. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

• • ALT3: ... that Josef Hoop (pictured) was the longest-serving Prime Minister of Liechtenstein?
  • ALT4: ... that Josef Hoop (pictured) is best known for his efforts to retain the neutrality and independence of Liechtenstein during World War II? Thriley (talk) 17:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley: so is this going to get promoted? TheBritinator (talk) 14:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

This nomination has been approved. There is a backlog of hooks so it might be a while before this makes it to the front page. Thriley (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Explains it. Not used to it taking this long, so I thought I'd just double check. TheBritinator (talk) 19:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

TheBritinator I am one of the promotors, and I was waiting for a good opening slot to use the image. I can promote it now if you don't want to wait for an image hook. SL93 (talk) 20:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

SL93 No problem, I can wait. Was merely just making sure everything was good. TheBritinator (talk) 20:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)