Talk:Karla Faye Tucker

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Karla Tucker and George Bush[edit]

The statement that Bush signed the death warrant is factually incorrect. The Texas Code of Criminal Procedure states that only the trial judge, when it appears that all appeals have been exhausted, may set the date for an execution. And, it is the trial jury that actually recommends death as a punishment. The trial judge has the option of following the jury's recommendation or sentencing the defendant to life without parole. At the time (1984) life without parole was not an option in Texas, so the trial judge's option would be follow the jury's recommendation of death or sentence the defendant to 99 years with the posibility of parole.

Question[edit]

is he the one that have a twin brother name david garrett and a brother name glenn thomas garrett

Photograph[edit]

There's got to be a better pictures than that. Not only is it too big it's blurry. HybridFusion 04:04, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Click on the image to see the previous picture. Let me know which you like better. David Cruise 02:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't see any other picture. HybridFusion 03:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Hybrid Fusion,
There is no other picture; the previous picture was the same, but bigger, and may have looked blurred. There is a problem with KFT's pictures, as most of the extant ones are from various news agencies and are copyrighted. David Cruise 04:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

You could use her mugshot. Other convicted criminals who don't have liberal sympathies on wikipedia get their mugshots at the top. 74.61.16.143 (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Christopher Fossedal

Talk Magazine[edit]

On October 18, 2005, MONGO censored the quote from the Talk Magazine asserting that

there is no way to substantiate the quote since Talk magazine cannot be linked and no reference from that source are available.

The above sentence is an absurd statement, asserting that if something is not on line, it does not exist. The reason the Talk magazine is not available on line can be found in the January 29, 2002 article in Los Angeles Times by Reed Johnson:

The news of Talk's demise was made public by officials with Miramax Films, a unit of Walt Disney Co., and Hearst Corp., which backed the magazine to the tune of about $50 million. The shutdown, which Miramax Co-Chairman Harvey Weinstein and Brown blamed largely on the national advertising slump since Sept. 11, came as the magazine was boosting its circulation to a hefty 670,000 and, some thought, finally beginning to find a voice and visual style distinct from those of Brown's previous editorial charges, Vanity Fair and The New Yorker

Mr. Mungo,
You are of violation of the Wikipedia policy to propose removal of information in the discussion section prior to the actual removal of this information.

Moreover, your action is a blatant instance of censorship of information which is not in congruence with your political beliefs. David Cruise 17:40, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

In no way is it vandalism...you must cite a reliable source. Furthermore, you need to refresh your understanding of WP:BOLD, and of Wikipedia:Vandalism before you make such an erroneous comment again. My statement is not absurd in any way. You must provide a relaible link to the either an online source, or the text of the interview that can be cross referenced...in other words, make it encyclopedic.--MONGO 19:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mongo,
I like your articles about the National Parks and Wilderness areas very much. However, please,

correct grammar, add facts, make sure the language is precise, and so on, but please note: be bold in updating pages does not mean that you should make large deletions to articles on controversial subjects. (WP:BOLD).

Best Wishes,
David Cruise 21:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

David, the quote still isn't adequately referenced. What it needs is either an online link...I think if you query it in Google, you may find a third party link to the info, (but that's kind of like a I heard that she said kind of thing) or a citable publication that will at least paraphrase the jist of the conversation. Information integrity is paramount if we are going to have contenious quotes or information in articles if we don't adequately cite a reference. I'll leave in in for a day or two and allow you to try and locate a better citation that is currently available since Talk is defunct.--MONGO 05:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Mongo, Did you look at the reference section? You'll find there:

  • Carlson, T. (1999). Devil May Care, Talk Magazine, September 1999, p. 106.

This is a direct quote to the primary source.


David Cruise 05:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I decided to search for it myself...online and came up with zilch. Talk magazine is defunct, so how is anyone going to go and get a reference from a defunct magazine, unless they find a copy on Ebay...even the Wikiquote section has nothing about the "conversation". Like I said, and I mean no insult...we need a citable source for this type of information. One that others can find online, in a bookstore or library. I'm not trying to be obtuse, and I don't refute that the conversation happened or that it was published by Talk, I just don't agree that we are being encyclopedic with such a contencious quote by not properly referencing it in a manner that makes cross examination for the reader readily available. I'll help you out...get ahold of JamesMLane because I'm sure he will be a good candidate to help you find a more available reference.--MONGO 08:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hard to believe that the quote is not included in the artical as it is one of the most notable aspects of the case and had wide coverage in my country. Even harder to believe there is not sufficient mention of the quote online as a search brings up 27000 results. If you need a reliable source the conservative National Review magazine still has a copy of Carlson's interview online here.Wayne (talk) 16:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

International Reactions[edit]

I restored the deleted international reactions. They are factual quotes. Their deletion is an obvious attempt to skew narrative in the direction of censor's personal beliefs.

David Cruise 23:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Dawkins-related vandalism[edit]

This page was vandalised by someone trying to point out the obvious fact that people can change Wiki.

See here: http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=553

..and in case they try to highlight the oh-so-fluid nature of internet truth, I've quoted them here:

TGD, p192

The source Dawkins cites for this quote, in his own best selling book, while serving as a luminary of science, is Wikipedia. That would be okay, I suppose, but he got the quote wrong. It actually reads,

"Please," Bush whimpers, like a repentant preacher, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "Don't murder me."

And I should know. I just changed it. If you like you can change it back. Or put a bible in Bush's hands. Whatever. Beware, however, your revision may end up in someone else's best seller.

amnesiac 14:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Unmarked grave?[edit]

The Find-A-Grave bio says that her grave is unmarked, but then shows a picture of what looks like a grave marker. Is it common in the US to have unmarked graves with some common marker nearby having the names of the people buried there? That would seem to be one way of reconciling the statement with the picture. (and unlike the case of Talk magazine, someone can go check...) --Alvestrand 14:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Victim Information[edit]

I'm thinking about creating biography pages for the victims, Jerry Dean and Deborah Thornton. Though they aren't as notable as the subject of this article, something about the lack of information about the people who were murdered makes this article seem incomplete. Of course there's a political issue at hand about capital punishment, and the most neutral way I can think of to balance an article about the subject is to provide information about the victims if it's available. If the victims don't meet notability standards for their own articles, what is the best approach to incorporating information about them into this article while still observing NPoV? --Dhimelright 23:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hypocrisy[edit]

How in the wikipedia world do I add another topic to this discussion page???? Anyway, just wanted to ask whether it would be appropriate to point out Bush's hypocrisy in commuting his buddy Lewis "Scooter" Libby's sentence while claiming his prison sentence was excessive. Bush has a double standard of justice - one for himself and his administration, and another for everyone else. With this POV you can see why I'm not writing the piece. marty8—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marty8 (talkcontribs).

You can add a new topic by clicking the "+" next to the edit button. As to the addition, you would need to have a cited reference from a reliable source in order to make that comment. And even then, it might run afoul of neutral point of view issues. However, a carefully phrased comment, precisely cited to a reliable source (and that source would have to make a direct comparison between Libby and Tucker) would probably be acceptable. --Eyrian 18:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedic entry -- not a forum for you to argue your beliefs.--The Outhouse Mouse (talk) 15:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, the comparison with Bush's record of executions as governor (including KFT) probably belongs on the Scooter Libby page since it is a bit anachronistic to mention Libby on the Tucker page. (Marty8 14:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC))

Early Years and Murder[edit]

The Early Years and Murder section starts out fine, but about halfway through ceases to make sense... can anyone figure out what it's supposed to say?

Updated[edit]

I updated and corrected the "Early years, and murder" and "Imprisonment and death" sections and added the "Trial and Conviction" section in the article on Karla Faye Tucker. So it looks much better now. What do you think? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You can't spell update without using "date." Apparently you think you can write an encyclopaedic article without using dates either. Good luck with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.156.164 (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Missing Information[edit]

Did a three year old write this? Maybe someone should put things like dates in, and leave unnecessary emphasis from people like Dean's wife. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.156.164 (talk) 05:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Separation of sections[edit]

Perhaps separating the early life section from the crime's details would improve the page's organization? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidanpaige (talkcontribs) 19:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Murder or Manslaughter?[edit]

During the Trial of three men found guilty of killing a woman in Cyprus, a point the Jury had to decide was; 'before the three men went on that evening to kill the woman, did they intend killing before they became totally drunk with alcohol'? If the answer was 'no, they killed the woman during a drunken Blackout' then it would be a Case of Manslaughter not murder. With Carla Faye, a similar situation may have arrisen. If she was so drunk and drugged up at the time of deciding to murder her victims then it would have been manslaughter not murder. The Cyprus Prosecutor explained; 'a person who is paralytic drunk at the time of a killing is not capable of making a rational decision to murder anyone'.Johnwrd (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

First woman to be executed in the United States since 1984? Not true.[edit]

"She was the first woman to be executed in the United States since 1984" - Check information at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_females_executed_in_the_United_States which lists Velma Barfield as having been executed in North Carolina more than three years previous to Tucker's execution. Bgansel9 (talk) 18:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

She was executed in 1984 according to the table. 71.54.62.140 (talk) 23:02, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Converted[edit]

What religion was she before? Why does the article say that she "converted" to christianity? --94.65.35.192 (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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