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Kashmiri a pure Aryan proto-Indo-European language. It has few alien words mainly Semitic (via our beloved Islam) but remains predominantly an Aryan language. The history of Kashmir and her literature is very rich. We are a north most region of ancient Aryavarta. After Islam arrived in the (mainly via Sufis) many of us accepted this great religion. This Semitic religion can not be made to Semitize us racially. Like the Tajiks we are Aryans and many of us follow a semitic islam. It has been tough to capture Kashmir and neither did the Arabs or Greeks come close to conquering us. We the Muslims and Kashmiri Pandits have much in common except our religion. Thus our bonds still remain solid. No one in the subcontinent except may be Shina speaking people understands us.

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KASHMIRI AND PUNJABI

Punjabi and Kashmiri have similar origins.I speak both but no Punjabican understand Kashmirias Kashmiri is much closer to ancient Rigvedic Sanskrit-Avestan Persian both of who are twin languages very similar with common origins. Thus any personlinking Kashmiris with Punjabis is either a political person or naive. Religion language and Race areoftenthree different things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.98.151 (talk) 23:39, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Both are Indo-European languages but very different. A Punjabi can not understand Kashmiri. Kashmiri is close to Shina. To link Punjabi to Kashmir is due to the political agenda of some foreigners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.203 (talk) 23:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Kashmiri language surely remains one of the purest Aryan languages. surely it does have a few Semitic words etc. (due to the arrival of Islam in the Valley), but often these words are used more by Muslims than Hindus. In general the language spoken by the Hindus and Muslims is very similar. A unique pure language in this region and is Rigvedic in origin that is next to impossible for most people outside the Valley to understand it. Only Rigvedic scholars might understand spoken Kashmiri — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.202 (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC) KASHMIRI LANGUAGE

A language very close to Rigvedic Sanskrit. It has picked up a few Semitic (Arabic) words after Islam made inroads into the Valley. Example a pious Brahmin of Kashmir refers to fire as Agun, while a Muslim refers to it as Nar. A Muslim refers to travel as Safar while a Hindu refers to it as Yatra. However, the language remains mainly a pure Aryan language and there is no confusion on this nor can any one create a confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.202 (talk) 23:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Small expansion required: be more specific about Persian scripts[edit]

The article says Persian scripts. It is not clear which scripts are meant (if several). Only the Persian Arabic script? --Imz 17:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic) ==

Kashmiri is surely an Aryan language like Punjabi but very dissimilar from Punjabi. A Punjabi can not understand Kashmiri. While the language spoken outside the Valley in Mirpur, etc. is very close to Punjabi.

The insertion of Punjabi or Sindhi into Kashmir is a big political game being played by some foreigners. All know who they are. Many languages in India and neighborhood have Aryan origin thus have similarities. However, Kashmiri is very close to Rigvedic Sanskrit. A Kashmiri can not for example understand Punjabi or vice versa. The Kashmiri language is an Aryan language. By large pretty close to Rig-vedic Sanskrit. There are however minor differences between the language spoken by Hindus and the Muslims in the Valley. After the arrival of Islam it picked up some Arabic words which Muslims tend to use more often than Hindus. Example a Muslim refers to fire as Nar, while a traditional Hindu refers to it as Agun. The Muslim uses the word Safar for travel again a traditional Hindu uses the word Yatra. Some commonly used words in Kashmiri language; nov-new, nas-nose,and-end, lot-light, pod-footstep, nangu-naked, achh-eye, dand-tooth,domb-womb, zut-cut, shurt-short, pad-feet, badnaam-badname, Lalla-Lullaby, etc. Thus very pure Aryan in origin/fontKASHMIRI LANGUAGE AND RIGVEDIC SANSKRIT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.173 (talk) 18:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


Kashmiri is an Indo-Aryan language of Dardic group. No Turanic people (it is also an Aryan group like the Kashmirs) originated in Kashmir. This is part of a disinformation effort to slowly change the history of this region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.118.51 (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Help add input for Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic)

translators needed at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation--D-Boy 19:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC) English kashmiri Editing by gul wani from greece urdu fire zung aage Water poine pani House -- ler—means- empty huse -gare-with-family makan Wood leker lakade Fire wood zune balen He hoe who Me mea muje Go gove gaya giveUs usede hum Leg zange taang

Carpet          Kaleen                                                             Galeecha
                      Namda
 Rug                    Gabbe           

Patage

                      Sakule
                      Sangieg
 tate                     Wugoo,Wug                                                      chatai

Samoke - dohe dowana Station,place - ade adda Place - jaie jaga

Axe     ---        m’akus—khard-kharde-                                    kulhaadie

Love - loal + mohabbat pyar Remember - maai yaad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.164.167 (talk) 02:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Re:this[edit]

The Kashmiri language is an Aryan language. By large close to Rig-vedic Sanskrit. There are however minor differences between the language spoken by Hindus and the Muslims. After the arrival of Islam it picked up some Arabic words which Muslims tend to use more often than Hindus. Example a Muslim refers to fire as Nar, while a traditional Hindu refers to it as Agun. the Muslim uses the word Safar for travel again a traditional Hindu uses the word Yatra. Some commonly used words in Kashmiri language; nov-new, nas-nose,and-end, lot-light, pod-footstep, nangu-naked, achh-eye, dand-tooth,domb-womb, zut-cut, shurt-short, etc. Thus very pure Aryan in origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.155 (talk) 23:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC) It should be Kashmiri language- chaat-cut and not zut, meine-mine and so on.

I have also reverted a few good faith edits in this case, such as this one. These good faith edits were essentially efforts to revert to the original content. But since there were other edits that were vandalism or a copyright violation, and the good faith edits were saying the same thing as the version I was reverting to anyway, I simply reverted. --Kuaichik (talk) 04:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

For a good bunch of reasons ('s' preservation even better than IA, shared met/ep tendencies, etc) linguists come down pretty much in favor of an IA classification. Also, any Northern IA speaker (Punjabi, Lehnda, Hindko) tends to have easier on-ramps into Dardic languages even like Pashai than Persian speakers do afaik (see vocab lists). That said, saying Kashmiri is very close to Rig Vedic automatically makes it pretty close to Avestan Persian too. Remember that ancient East Iranian speakers could likely pretty easily access the Vedic scriptures and the two languages are (shockingly) close - so close that due to limited number of texts in Avestan, Avestan scholars often learn Vedic Sanskrit to deepen their understanding. From An Avesta grammar in comparison with Sanskrit and The Avestan alphabet and its transcription:

The language of the Avesta is most closely allied to the Sanskrit, though individually quite distinct from the latter. Together they may be classed as making up an Indo-Iranian group. Almost any Sanskrit word may be changed at once into its Avestan equivalent, or vice versa, merely by applying certain phonetic laws. As example may be taken the metrical stanza Yt. 10.6 in the Avesta:
tem amavantem yazatem
surem damohu seviytem
mithrem yazai zaothrabyo
'Mithra that strong mighty angel, most beneficent to all creatures, I will worship with libations'- becomes when rendered word for word in Sanskrit:
tam amavantam yajatam
yuram dhamasu yavistham
mitram yajai hotrabhyah

Interesting as this IndoAryan vs Iranian discussion is today, it would have seemed ridiculous to Vedic and Avestan speakers themselves. --Hunnjazal (talk) 04:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

not Indo-Aryan?[edit]

Kashmiri was usually counted as being Indo-Aryan. But according to the article it's not? --Maurice45 (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Kashmiri is NOT an Indo-Aryan language. It's a Dardic language, and the Dardic languages were once considered to be an Indo-Aryan subgroup but now have been defined as a separate group of Indo-Iranian languages, along with the Iranian, Indo-Aryan and Nuristani languages. If it has alot of similarities with Indo-Aryan, its because it has done a good job of preserving archaic Indo-Iranian linguistic features, like Indo-Aryan. Easily explained by its isolated existence in the mountains for thousands of years. Pashto, an Iranian language, has also been found in some studies to have preserved some archaic Indo-Iranian features in its more isolated dialects, thus why it was originally mistaken for an Indo-Aryan language by some linguists in the 19th century. Indo-Aryan did a better job of preserving elements of the Indo-Iranian languages than the Iranian branch, and thus those elements have been taken by some people to be characteristic of the Indo-Aryan languages exclusively. Their existence in isolated sub-groups understandably causes some confusion. But it should be cleared up. But yes, Kashmiri is Dardic. Afghan Historian (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it is Indo-Aryan after all as are all Dardic languages --Maurice45 (talk) 13:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Autonym orthography[edit]

In the main article the name کٲشُر appears odd in my browser (Opera). The damma (U+064F) doesn't display properly. It looks like an í (i with acute). Is anyone else experience similar mojibake effects?—Strabismus (talk) 01:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC) the afgan writer.knows about his own languages alphabet. which alfabet thay use wen afghanistans name was khurasaan no —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.15.248 (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources on Kashmiri language[edit]

A Vocabulary of the Kashmírí Language: In Two Parts : Kashmírí-English, and English-Kashmírí By William Jackson Elmslie

http://books.google.com/books?id=yZACAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

A grammar of the Kashmīrī language: as spoken in the valley of Kashmīr, North India By Thomas Russell Wade

http://books.google.com/books?id=sh4YAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

A Dictionary of Kashmiri Proverbs & Sayings: Explained and Illustrated from the Rich and Interesting Folklore of the Valley By James Hinton Knowles

http://books.google.com/books?id=PV4UAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

A dictionary of Kashmiri proverbs, explained by J.H. Knowles By Kashmiri proverbs

http://books.google.com/books?id=n_MIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Kaçmiraçabdamrta; a Kaçmiri grammar written in the Sanskrit language (1898)

https://archive.org/details/kamiraabdamr00isvauoft

A dictionary of the Kashmiri language . Compiled partly from materials left by the late Pandita Isvara Kaula. Assisted by Mahamahopadhyaya Mukundarama Sastri (1916)

https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofkash01grieuoft

Gulzr-i Kashmr (1873)

https://archive.org/details/gulzrikashmr00rainuoft

Rajmaan (talk) 23:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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I have moved the "Writing systems" section down because the huge alphabet tables were swamping the article. I also notice that all these tables seem to be recent script-warring by IP editors, with no sources, no explanatory text or any discussion. Unless somebody can explain to me why these script tables are needed, I propose to delete them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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