Talk:Katalin Karikó

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The article either downplays or obscures the rejection of her initial research by the academic community and merely mentions in just a few words that she had trouble finding grants. There’s a lot more to say about her travails as she worked against the tide of the status quo, as seen in the 2021 NYT piece and in comments by others, such as Jonathan Howard at NYU. More should be said about her struggle and adversity to bring this research into reality. Viriditas (talk) 08:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Totally agree -- omitting this part of her story is a decision to sanitize the story of institutional obstacles in her path. 64.30.65.45 (talk) 02:12, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: A new source was published yesterday:

Binday, Ben (October 26, 2023). "'Not of faculty quality': How Penn mistreated Nobel Prize-winning researcher Katalin Karikó". The Daily Pennsylvanian. Retrieved October 27, 2023. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viriditas (talk • contribs) 23:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

This is on my watchlist. You and I talked about this in user talk, and I'll take a serious look at it eventually. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I sincerely hope she told the University of Pennsylvania to go straight to hell.

Attempt to deport Karikó from the US, made by her advisor at Temple University: Prof Robert Suhadolnik

There has been a lot of information in the news about the attempt by her advisor, Robert Sudhadolnik, attempting to have Karikó deported after "his protégé" accepted an offer to work in another research lab at Johns Hopkins University. Then, JHU rescinded her job offer so as not to get tied up in a legal case or deportation proceedings. ... and it was apparently quite iffy if she would be allowed to contnue to work as a researcher in the US in this field. This seems like it should be included in this encyclopedic article on Karikó.

Let's add sources and descriptions here, and we can write a good paragraph to add once we have several reliable secondary sources on the matter. — N2e (talk) 17:23, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Much better sources have been found, and are now explicated in another article. The article Robert J. Suhadolnik was recently created by another editor. That article has a very complete section stub in it describing the attempt by Suhadolnik to get Karikó deported from the USA after she accepted the job offer from Johns Hopkins University in 1988. This was, apparently, in about her third year in the US, during the years after her PhD, when she was working in her advisor's lab at Temple University. You can read it, and see the good sourcing, here: Robert_J._Suhadolnik#Katalin_Karikó, or if that is changed, here is the latest version of it today: Suhadolnik article as of 2023-10-06T12:17:11. Cheers. — N2e (talk) 19:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

There is NO good sourcing besides second-hand reporting by Zuckerman (which I did not yet read). Here are the reasons to be skeptical. Kariko got an IAP-66 and came for her postdoc position on a J-1 visa. These visas were for three years and the recipients of J-1 from countries like Hungary or Poland HAD to return to their country of origin after the third year in the U.S. So, under normal circumstances Kariko had to leave (or be deported by the authorities) without any intervention on the Suhadolnik part. At that time Kariko was certainly not in a position to get a so-called waiver (Einstein provision). It would therefore be interesting to know how was she able to solve her visa problem. Some young researchers from so-called socialist countries were solving the problem by asking for the political asylum in the U.S. On a closer look the story of Kariko staying in America will probably prove much more complicated than the one reported. Math45-oxford (talk) 15:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done — have updated the article prose with the sources and much of the prose originally written by DragonflySixtyseven in the new Robert J. Suhadolnik article. N2e (talk) 23:41, 9 October 2023 (UTC)