Talk:Kennedy family

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First Generation[edit]

I imagine that P. J. Kennedy and his sisters are the first generation of the Kennedys because they were the firsts Kennedys to born in America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.59.203.111 (talk) 11:39, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

First generation of American Kennedys, yes, but not first overall generation of Kennedys. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


Coat of Arms[edit]

I would like to suggest that the coat of arms be removed from this article for the following reasons: First, the Kennedy family is essentially an American family of primarily Irish and English descent. The United States government does not grant coats of arms and therefore U.S. citizens do not have coats of arms unless granted by a foreign government which is rare. The government's of England and Ireland and Scotland do not grant coats of arms to U.S. citizens who are not residents of those countries and in any case do not grant coats of arms to entire families. Therefore this is not the Kennedy family coat of arms since there is no such thing as a family coat of arms and therefore it is inappropriate to display on an article about the Kennedy family. The only Wikipedia article this coat of arms should be displayed in is the article written about the individual that this coat of arms has been granted to. Also no coat of arms should ever be displayed in an article of any kind unless it bears a caption stating the name of the individual that such coat of arms has been granted to and no such caption is included. The only occasion when a coat of arm should be displayed is if the individual the article is written about has been granted a coat of arms. There is no way to be more clear. This coat of arms does NOT belong in this article. Would the people who have access to editing this article please remove it. You can easily verify what I have said by looking up the correct usage of coats of arms in any book on the topic. I presume there is a Wikipedia article about the correct usage of a coat of arms and who has the right to display one and under what circumstances they should be displayed if one wants to verify what I have written here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.190.53.6 (talk) 18:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I have removed the coat of arms for the reason I cited above. Please do no put it back without first verifying the above. Again, there is no such thing as a family coat of arms. No government has ever granted a coat of arms to a family. They are only granted to individuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.190.53.6 (talk) 18:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
The following is quoted from the website of the Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland: "There is, strictly speaking, no such thing as a ‘family coat of arms’. A grant of arms made to an individual extends to his or her descendants of the name, not to a family as such." What this means is that the arms described at the bottom of the article as having been granted to the family of Patrick Kennedy could not in fact have been granted to the entire family but only to those male line descendants bearing the Kennedy name strictly speaking and their daughters until they marry or otherwise change their names. So Maria Shriver, as an example, cannot claim this as her coat of arms. This said, individual claimants still need to register themselves with the office of the chief herald if they want to make public use of the coat of arms. For the above reason I am removing the section on the coat of arms. If someone wants to redo the section to reflect correct usage of the coat of arms of Patrick Kennedy explaining who in the Kennedy family can use them legally then by all means put the section back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.190.53.6 (talk) 19:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)