Talk:Life unworthy of life
Undoubtedly, this is an important Nazi concept to be presented. However, "lebensunwertes Leben" simply does not refer to Nazi mass killings and genocide justified by racist or political considerations. The two cited references are too weak to establish this link. This does not make the concept any better. It is important to keep the different motivations clearly separate - in only to clearly discuss any interrelations. Best regards, jan--Trinitrix (talk) 11:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
References: "The Nazi Docotors" is an important book by Lifton. It is not a book on ideological concepts, however. Cited from WP:
"His most influential books, Death in Life: Survivors of Hiroshima (1967), Home from the War: Vietnam Veterans—Neither Victims nor Executioners (1973), and The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide (1986), focused on the mental adaptations made by humans in extreme wartime environments—whether as survivors of atrocities or, in the latter case, perpetrators. In each case Lifton believed that the psychic fragmentation experienced by his subjects was an extreme form of the pathologies that arise in peacetime life due to the pressures and fears of modern society. [...] The Nazi Doctors was the first in-depth study of how medical professionals rationalized their participation in the Holocaust, from the early stages of the T-4 Euthanasia Program to the extermination camps."
So I think it is fair to say that the concept "lebensunwertes Leben" gave ideological justification to the T-4 program and anyone involved in it. But the justification for the genocide of the European jews, e.g., rested on other ideological foundations.
All material going beyond T-4 should be either removed or properly verified.
People with learning disabilities
Surely this group of people should be included, alonside people with physical disabilities? Having said that, I'm not sure what the best phraseology is: I work in this field in the United Kingdom and the above phrase is the one felt (currently) to be appropriate: however, I'm aware that other idioms are used elsewhere in the world - some of which (such as "mentally retarded") would be seen as deeply offensive in the UK. Have I just bought and opened a can of worms? Dom Kaos (talk) 12:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've now changed "the physically disabled" to "people with disabilities", to reflect the fact that those with learning disabilities (UK term) were also victims, rather than just people mobility or sensory impairments Dom Kaos (talk) 00:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
The term is 'learning difficulties' (it was chosen by some people as a collective description if one was to be used) except that this is an inclusive term so is absent from the Community Care Act for obvious reasons. It is instructive that characteristics whish may have the effect of learning difficulties are criteria for abortion. Binding and Hoche live on.Keith-264 (talk) 10:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
This page was tagged for tone; I removed the word 'tragic.' Is it an improvement? I think it is a good idea to go into this philosophical concept because it explains the motivations and thinking behind the holocaust & related murder programs of the Nazis.
They were never a main target of the National Socialists, it's like adding POW's to the list. Paulus Caesar
Even though abortion might be considered murder by some, it is certancly not as selective as the NAZI policy. Putting a link from this page to "Planned_Parenthood_of_America" implies otherwise.
"Life unworthy of life" is a poor translation of this concept. The real meaning -- this is how it is understood by most Germans familiar with the history -- is "life unworthy of living", or "life unworthy of being lived". "Life unworthy of life" is circular and linguistically absurd, equally so in German. The very attachment of the term "euthanasia" to this programme indicates that this is how it was understood even by its perpetrators. Can we rename this article?--Rhombus (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)