Talk:List of Boeing 737 MAX orders and deliveries

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First version copied from Boeing 737 MAX

Please see Boeing_737_MAX history for the editors/contributors. Tistscien (talk) 20:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Wrongly claim of copyright violation, mainly rescue of deleted content. And its useful. Tistscien (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a wrong claim of copyright violation then please show me the attribution to the contributors, you cant just copy stuff without some form of attribution to the creators of the text it is a copyright violation. MilborneOne (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, we do have a template for it Template:Copied which can be added to this page. MilborneOne (talk) 20:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in List of Boeing 737 MAX orders

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Boeing 737 MAX orders's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "737_O_D_summ":

From Boeing 737 MAX: "737 Model Orders and Deliveries data." Boeing, July 2013. Retrieved July 11, 2013.
From Boeing 737 Next Generation: "737 Model Orders and Deliveries data." Boeing, March 2011. Retrieved April 19, 2011.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication

I still have the same problem with this contents as before, it is just a duplication of the table in prose it doesnt add anything to the article. Just a quick look at some other examples like List of Boeing 787 orders and deliveries and List of Airbus A380 orders and deliveries none if which duplicate the information. It is just not needed and doesnt add anything and should be removed, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason was to rescue the masses of carefully edited, worthful content. The table is a temporary problem, yes. Long time solution is surely the proposed short summary, like that. Intermediate solution? Tistscien (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But the "carefully editied, worthful content" doesnt say anything that is not in the table, other article dont do it and I cant see any reason why the Boeing 737 MAX is an exception. Oh and I dont have a problem with the proposed short summary in the maina article just the wall of text in this one. MilborneOne (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Many editors invested very much time in that. Tistscien (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesnt matter if it is not needed, we dont keep stuff just because it took time it has to add value to the article. MilborneOne (talk) 21:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firm Orders vs Commitments

It seems like people have a difficult understanding between a firm order vs a commitment. I want to and am going to make it clear

Firm orders are when the agrees on the final amount of aircraft the airline can purchase at a given price. Commitments are when the airline has agreed to consider buying an aircraft before making it a final firm order.

It seems users are saying Ryanair's order is a firm order, when in the article it clearly says that they committed to purchasing 100 MAX 8 200s, and the option for 100 more. This is not a firm order. I hereby challenge that edit, so anybody wanting to make an edit will need to gain consensus.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-09-08-Boeing-Launches-737-MAX-200-with-Ryanair

Talk it out here --PilotJaguar1996 (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Change of primary source to Boeing O&D reference - individual sources leading to many errors

The recent update to the primary source for orders and deliveries totals to the monthly Boeing O&D reference was reverted, citing that the data is more accurate based on individual, often 'daily updated' sources.

However this is not correct, the last two non-Boeing O&D sources used for the information were published on January 13, 2017 (SpiceJet, 4 months ago, here) and December 11, 2016 (Iran Air, 5 months ago, here). Both in fact were misinterpreted, in the first case assuming the entire order was for 737MAX aircraft and listing it that way (it wasn't, as the article states and Boeing O&D shows, 50 of the order were purchase rights for an undisclosed mix of the 737 and 787 which have not been exercised as of 4/30/17), in the second case the Iran Air 'order' is in fact a purchase agreement not yet a firm order and so does not belong in the table at this time (again, checked at 4/30/17).

These two errors alone caused the orders table to be incorrectly exaggerated by 113 aircraft.

There are many other examples of outdated or incorrect information when these individual references are used (often wrongly interpreted as I have identified), without new information being checked. Some other examples include:

Aerolíneas Argentinas order (11 firm orders - completely missing)

Air China order (8 firm orders - completely missing)

Air Europa order (20 firm orders - completely missing)

Alaska Airlines order (shows 37 aircraft on firm order, Boeing states 32 at 4/30/17)

Arik Air order (8 firm orders - completely missing)

GECAS order (shows 95 aircraft, Boeing states 170 at 4/30/17)

Gol Transportes Aéreos order (shows 60 aircraft, Boeing states 69 at 4/30/17)

Enter Air order (shows 4 aircraft, , Boeing states 6 at 4/30/17)

Fiji Airways order (5 aircraft have not actually been ordered directly from Boeing, but from will be leased from GECAS. They are therefore a subset of the existing GECAS order of 170 aircraft, and so should not be listed separately)

ICBC Leasing order (2 firm orders - completely missing)

Iran Air order (shows 50 aircraft, but this is a purchase agreement not a firm order per Boeing at 4/30/17, and so should not be listed)

SilkAir order (shows 31 aircraft on firm order, Boeing states 37 at 4/30/17)

SunExpress order (shows 15 aircraft on firm order, Boeing states 25 at 4/30/17)

Unidentified customers order (shows 659 aircraft on firm order, Boeing states 758 at 4/30/17)

VIP Customer order (shows 1 aircraft on firm order, Boeing states 14 in Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) category at 4/30/17)

Clearly to use this wealth of inaccurate / outdated information to form the basis of the O&D table, which is then therefore used to form incorrect orders totals in the final row, which obviously do not match with the Boeing O&D totals is nonsensical when an accurate, monthly updated source which keeps totals consistent across the aircraft articles is freely available and easily accessible. This is the same source (or equivalent) used for other similar articles such as List of Boeing 787 orders and deliveries and List of Airbus A320neo family orders and deliveries.

There is no good logic for the 737 MAX orders page to be sourced in an alternative way which is clearly leading to so many errors. I have restored the latest reliable source at April 30, 2017, which is the Boeing Orders and Deliveries summary. Comments are welcome, thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 07:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

This table is so messed up, it's not even funny. Why are there so many missing orders? Wrong order numbers. Wrong variants, etc. Who maintains this page? Can Boeing maintain this page instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.81.123.120 (talk) 22:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The source of the data on this page is the Boeing Orders & Deliveries summary by customer, updated every month. It should therefore accurately reflect all but the latest firm orders (i.e. those placed this month), which themselves will be added at the next monthly update (June 30, 2017). Can you give an example of 'missing' orders which are not explained by this short-term update lag? Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 04:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Operators

The 737 NG operators page hasn't been updated in a while and the way it's laid out is clunky. Can someone update it to make it look like the a320 operators page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:44:4203:3A30:8055:E80C:2032:CE7D (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

United Airlines

On united airline's page, it says there are 100 orders for max 10 and 61 for max 9, here it says 100 for max 10 and 35 for unknown variant, which is right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.81.122.200 (talk) 09:37, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deliveries?

2017 74

2018 226

2019 20

Total 350

Interesting, somehow my grade 2 arithmetic does not comprehend this.

187.217.195.55 (talk) 05:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC) baden k.[reply]

Orders by variant, but not deliveries?

Would be nice to add also the deliveries by variant (not only the orders). --ProloSozz (talk) 11:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice – yes, but it is a lot of maintenance effort. Who is interested, can check the original information from Boing. But if you like to maintain the table – feel free to fill it. --GodeNehler (talk) 12:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alaska Airlines

They have 32 Max aircraft on order, not 10. Article is obviously outdated. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 17:26, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

O&D update

The O&D source date of As of July 31, 2020, is out of date. Boeing's current O&D ^[1] has only 4,082 orders and only 3,333 by their own ASC 606 accounting, which is more realsitic. The O&D numbers and how they are accounted for are a bit contentious, so I shall leave it to somebody else more on top of it to update. I have also found the Boeing site to have become rather obfuscated on the subject and it is not really possible to determine what of these orders are actually MAXs and what are NGs. E x nihil ^(talk) 09:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Boeing: Commercial". www.boeing.com. Retrieved 2021-01-05.

Flair Airlines 737 MAX order

Is this order for 13 737 MAX 8 airplanes from Flair Airlines [1] a new order? Looks like it is being done by leasing company 777 Partners. Andrewpmk | Talk 00:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please add Arajet’s 737 MAX 8 & 737 MAX 200 orders

Arajet, the new Dominican low-cost airline has a fleet of 5 Boeing 737 MAX 8s. Below are the following orders that the airline confirmed:

- 6 B737 MAX 8 to be delivered by 2023

- 20 B737 MAX 200 to be delivered by 2024

Please add Arajet and the following orders, thank you. AviationLover27 (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the Arajet Wikipedia Website: Arajet AviationLover27 (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Boeing: Commercial". www.boeing.com. Retrieved 2021-01-05.

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