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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Not moved. Reason: Request withdrawn. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 06:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of China-based microblogging services → Weibo – "Weibo" was moved to List of China-based microblogging services and the page "Weibo" was created to be a disambiguation page, I don't think it's proper. Now there's two "Weibo", the China-based microblogging services is clearly the primary topic, the Weibo (town), a small town in Xinji is very unknown, we don't even have a zh:位伯 article in Chinese Wikipedia. The statistics also tells a lot: daily visitors of Weibo (town)'s about 3 versus daily visitors of Weibo's about 100. Obviously most people search "Weibo" for entry about Chinese microblogs. search results in google also suggest the China-based microblogging services to be the primary topic of "Weibo". So a move from List of China-based microblogging services back to Weibo is being requested (Technically I can't move it back). I've moved the disambiguation page to Weibo (disambiguation). --Tomchen1989 (talk) 14:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've extended the article. Now it is not only a list but also a introduction and description of Chinese weibo services. So renaming to Weibo seems much more proper. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 18:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, because now there's only two "weibo" on Weibo (disambiguation), if the China-based microblog article is set to be the primary topic, we will not need a disambiguation page per WP:D. A hatnote on Weibo (now List of China-based microblogging services) handles all these. It makes these much simpler and user search much quicker. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 04:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. If this article refers to the Chinese microblogging, then its title should be something like Chinese microblogging, not weibo, because Weibo in English sources is not a generic term for all Chinese microblogging services, but usually a specific term referring to specific websites like Sina Weibo, Tencent Weibo, etc.. And there is no primary use between the different XXX Weibo websites. You can write this article introducing Chinese mircroblogging websites. But Weibo should be an disambiguation page including the Weibo town and different Weibo websites. --Pengyanan (talk) 02:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So you do agree "Weibo" in English is usually something about the Chinese microblogging site. If so, Weibo to be a disambiguation page is not anyway very proper.

You thought it refers to a specific microblog, it's not categorically true, we can also find plenty of sources used "Weibo" to generically refer to Chinese microblogs ([1], [2], [3]), they even applied a plural term "Weibos".

As described in Sina Weibo#Naming and List of China-based microblogging services#Terms, yes, due to its popularity, "Sina Weibo" is sometimes simplified to be "Weibo" (but rarely for "Tencent Weibo"), but not always so, generally "Weibo" refers to the generic "Chinese microblogs" (sources cited above). It's also a POV if explicitly considering "Weibo = Sina Weibo" at Wikipedia. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 04:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In your three references, the second of them only specifically refers to the Sina Weibo. In your third reference, most of Weibo also specifically refers to Sina Weibo. This article consistently uses "microblogs", not "weibo", to refer to the general microblogging service in China. It only explains that microblogging in Chinese is called weibo when the word weibo appears for the first time. Therefore we cannot argue that the primary use of Weibo is the generic term for the microblogging in Mainland China. --Pengyanan (talk) 05:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think I mis-cited the second one, but the third one is still a good one where "weibo" refers to the generic "Chinese microblogs", in that article the author never directly and independently (without adding "Sina" or "Sina's") used "Weibo" to refer to Sina Weibo, there's also a sentence "..Sina Weibo and other Weibos..".

However, "Weibo" may or may not usually be a specific or a generic term. It's relatively OK to be a disambiguation if the dab list is enriched. I withdraw the request and, move this article to Microblogging in China. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 06:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose-I agree, weibo should be a disambiguation page. that way people looking to find the chinese blogging services can find it quicker.P0PP4B34R732 (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm, I think obviously, in that way people for the Chinese microblogs can find it slower, not quicker. In that way:

If a user (large numbers) searchs "weibo" for generic "Chinese microblogs", he will arrive his entry via one more click.

If a user (large numbers) searchs "weibo" for Sina Weibo (as User:Pengyanan agreed, "weibo" refers to a specific Chinese microblogs like Sina Weibo), he will arrive his entry via two more clicks.

If a user (very few) searchs "weibo" for Weibo (town), he will still arrive his entry via one click.

So why not make users search quicker and more convenient? --Tomchen1989 (talk) 04:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Important update on data for "Users" session

Dear Editor,

I noticed in Users' session, there is a paragraph "According to China Internet Newtwork Information Center..." the data is still for 2011. I've updated the data according to CINIC's most recent report. http://wenku.baidu.com/link?url=7qblEo7jQcjiZe0OYojlwI9kY8omL9g22I7CWJHOTqfL8VIcjB0yKA0YT2YsYwfhYL7_Isimwdmhrefcbd3omHxB3EMarqkXLs37RfKMNE7

The updated paragraph is as below: According to the China Internet Network Information Center, in 2013, the number of Chinese weibo/microblog users is 281 million. As of December 2013, 45.5% Chinese Internet users and 39.3% Chinese mobile Internet users used weibo/microblogs.

Sandyz0616 (talk) 08:21, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

About usage of Weibo and Microblog

Dear Editor,

I would like to suggest on the replacement of "Weibo" by "Microblog" for non-Sina weibo services. The reason is that Sina registered the domain name weibo.com, weibo.cn, weibo.com.cn. All other weibo/microblog services provided by other companies (such as Tencent, Sohu, People, Phoenix, etc) are actually microblog service. Only Sina Corp is in the right position to use weibo as its mainstream service. Please help verify on this and if accepted, update those non-Sina weibo service to microblog.

Sandyz0616 (talk) 08:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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References you can add

Hello,

I've a lot of links to studies about the weibos and other chinese social medias I have searched before, so if you need some sources, it's here:
chinese microblogging service & chinese microblogging service - Google Scholar ^[1] · ^[2] · ^[3] · ^[4] · ^[5] · ^[6] · ^[7] · ^[8] · ^[9] · ^[10] · ^[11] ·
--Anas1712 (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

^ Schlæger, Jesper; Jiang, Min (2014). "Official microblogging and social management by local governments in China". China Information. 28 (2): 189–213. doi:10.1177/0920203X14533901. ISSN 0920-203X. Retrieved 2014-08-20.
^ Rauchfleisch, Adrian; Schäfer, Mike S. (24 July 2014). "Multiple public spheres of Weibo: a typology of forms and potentials of online public spheres in China". Information, Communication & Society. 18 (2): 139–155. doi:10.1080/1369118X.2014.940364. ISSN 1369-118X.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)
^ Parsons, Andrew; Zeisser, Michael; Waitman, Robert (1998). "Organizing today for the digital marketing of tomorrow". Journal of Interactive Marketing. 12 (1): 31–46. doi:10.1002/(SICI)1520-6653(199824)12:1<31::AID-DIR4>3.0.CO;2-X. ISSN 1094-9968. Retrieved 2017-05-11.
^ Yang, Shuai; Chen, Sixing; Li, Bin (15 July 2016). "The Role of Business and Friendships on WeChat Business: An Emerging Business Model in China". Journal of Global Marketing. 29 (4): 174–187. doi:10.1080/08911762.2016.1184363. ISSN 0891-1762.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)
^ Shaoyong Chen; Huanming Zhang; Min Lin; Shuanghuan Lv (12 April 2012). Comparision of microblogging service between Sina Weibo and Twitter. doi:10.1109/ICCSNT.2011.6182424. ISBN 978-1-4577-1587-7. Retrieved 7 June 2018. {{cite book}}: |journal= ignored (help)
^ Gao, Qi; Abel, Fabian; Houben, Geert-Jan; Yu, Yong (2012). A Comparative Study of Users' Microblogging Behavior on Sina Weibo and Twitter (PDF). Lecture Notes in Computer Science. Vol. 7379. pp. 88–101. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-31454-4_8. ISBN 978-3-642-31453-7. ISSN 0302-9743. Retrieved 7 June 2018.
^ Qu, Yan; Huang, Chen; Zhang, Pengyi; Zhang, Jun (2011). Proceedings of the ACM 2011 conference on Computer supported cooperative work - CSCW '11. p. 25. doi:10.1145/1958824.1958830. ISBN 9781450305563. Retrieved 7 June 2018.
^ Gallo, Frank T. (October 2012). "The Reality of Chinese Microblogging". Harvard Business Review. Harvard Business Publishing. Retrieved 7 June 2018.
^ Zhou Kangliang (19 Sep 2011). "The Power of the Chinese Netizen? How Microblogging is Changing Chinese Journalism" (PDF). Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. University Of Oxford. Retrieved 7 June 2018.
^ Sullivan, Jonathan (2012). "A tale of two microblogs in China" (PDF). Media, Culture & Society. 34 (6): 773–783. doi:10.1177/0163443712448951. ISSN 0163-4437. Retrieved 7 June 2018.
^ Holme, Petter; Fu, King-wa; Chau, Michael (2013). "Reality Check for the Chinese Microblog Space: A Random Sampling Approach". PLoS ONE. 8 (3): e58356. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0058356. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 3592789. PMID 23520502.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

[SchlægerJiang2014-1] Schlæger, Jesper; Jiang, Min (2014). "Official microblogging and social management by local governments in China". China Information. 28 (2): 189–213. doi:10.1177/0920203X14533901. ISSN 0920-203X. Retrieved 2014-08-20.

[RauchfleischSchäfer2014-2] Rauchfleisch, Adrian; Schäfer, Mike S. (24 July 2014). "Multiple public spheres of Weibo: a typology of forms and potentials of online public spheres in China". Information, Communication & Society. 18 (2): 139–155. doi:10.1080/1369118X.2014.940364. ISSN 1369-118X.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)

[ParsonsZeisser1998-3] Parsons, Andrew; Zeisser, Michael; Waitman, Robert (1998). "Organizing today for the digital marketing of tomorrow". Journal of Interactive Marketing. 12 (1): 31–46. doi:10.1002/(SICI)1520-6653(199824)12:1<31::AID-DIR4>3.0.CO;2-X. ISSN 1094-9968. Retrieved 2017-05-11.

[YangChen2016-4] Yang, Shuai; Chen, Sixing; Li, Bin (15 July 2016). "The Role of Business and Friendships on WeChat Business: An Emerging Business Model in China". Journal of Global Marketing. 29 (4): 174–187. doi:10.1080/08911762.2016.1184363. ISSN 0891-1762.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)

[5] Shaoyong Chen; Huanming Zhang; Min Lin; Shuanghuan Lv (12 April 2012). Comparision of microblogging service between Sina Weibo and Twitter. doi:10.1109/ICCSNT.2011.6182424. ISBN 978-1-4577-1587-7. Retrieved 7 June 2018. {{cite book}}: |journal= ignored (help)

[GaoAbel2012-6] Gao, Qi; Abel, Fabian; Houben, Geert-Jan; Yu, Yong (2012). A Comparative Study of Users' Microblogging Behavior on Sina Weibo and Twitter (PDF). Lecture Notes in Computer Science. Vol. 7379. pp. 88–101. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-31454-4_8. ISBN 978-3-642-31453-7. ISSN 0302-9743. Retrieved 7 June 2018.

[QuHuang2011-7] Qu, Yan; Huang, Chen; Zhang, Pengyi; Zhang, Jun (2011). Proceedings of the ACM 2011 conference on Computer supported cooperative work - CSCW '11. p. 25. doi:10.1145/1958824.1958830. ISBN 9781450305563. Retrieved 7 June 2018.

[8] Gallo, Frank T. (October 2012). "The Reality of Chinese Microblogging". Harvard Business Review. Harvard Business Publishing. Retrieved 7 June 2018.

[9] Zhou Kangliang (19 Sep 2011). "The Power of the Chinese Netizen? How Microblogging is Changing Chinese Journalism" (PDF). Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. University Of Oxford. Retrieved 7 June 2018.

[Sullivan2012-10] Sullivan, Jonathan (2012). "A tale of two microblogs in China" (PDF). Media, Culture & Society. 34 (6): 773–783. doi:10.1177/0163443712448951. ISSN 0163-4437. Retrieved 7 June 2018.

[HolmeFu2013-11] Holme, Petter; Fu, King-wa; Chau, Michael (2013). "Reality Check for the Chinese Microblog Space: A Random Sampling Approach". PLoS ONE. 8 (3): e58356. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0058356. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 3592789. PMID 23520502.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

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