Talk:List of Lafayette College people

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Non-Alumni Attendees

The above-named section is self-contradictory and unnecessary. Alumnus means "former student", not just "graduate". There is no reason not to disperse the individuals listed and intermingle these non-graduates in their appropriate categories. If non-graduation is relevant, it should be noted in the individual listing. Alansohn 15:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

President of Lafayette College, 1957-1958

Ralph Cooper Hutchison, 1945-1958, class of 1918, is shown as stated, but someone else was an interim president for the academic year 1957-1958. Additional research is needed to establish the facts. Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)Dthomsen8[reply]

Guy Everett Snavely was an interim president of Lafayette College during the academic year 1957-1958. An exact citation will be provided soon. However, feedback on whether interim presidents should be shown on the list, or shown with "(interim)" after his name, or some other alternative. Dthomsen8 (talk) 14:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)Dthomsen8[reply]

I suggest adding Snavely to the list with (interim) after his name. Just as you say. Bellagio99 (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Cooper Hutchison

The spelling of this president's surname should be Hutchison and the article Ralph Cooper Hutchison omits the fact that he was president of Lafayette College 1945-1957. The book cited below gives a list of presidents of Lafayette College.

Gendebein, Albert W. (1986). The Biography of a College: Being the History of the Third Half-Century of Lafayette College. Easton, Pennsylvania: Lafayette College. p. 643. ISBN 9996482324. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)DThomsen8[reply]

Ori Kalmus Notability Question

Moved from Bellagio99 page where it did not belong.

As a neutral observer to your edit, I understand your concern that Kalmus may not be notable enough for Wikipedia, but even that is disputable and should be up for discussion. I did a Google search for Ori Kalmus, and the results were beyond the level for which one can claim "Mr Kalmus is not yet notable to Wikipedia or Google." I'd suggest leaving the text in for now, and bringing up a discussion between you and Screammaskinskillman. --Der yck C. 00:23, 30 April 2011 (UTC) Bellagio99 (talk) 01:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I note that because I politely disagree with him in typical Wikipedia language, User:Screammaskinskillman has referred me to the Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests board. Calling me "misleading and condescending." I'm sorry, i was not either, but I understand that Scream is a new user, excited for his friend, and doesn't know local norms. I have no desire to get into an edit war that he has escalated. He has also sent me a private email, to which I have not responded. It would be better if he documented his claim for notability rather than calling me names. Godspeed. 01:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni tag

The alumni tag on this page is placed in error. The page is purposefully not called "List of Lafayette College Alumni" as so many other schools have, but rather additionally includes those who served Lafayette in other capacities. There are multiple trustees on this list who were never alumnis of the school, which is why that tag was inappropriate, and hence my substitution to a new tag. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 19:49, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree but there is little point in discussing the semantics of which tag is most appropriate - we both agree that the list needs cleaning up - and it has been tagged since April 2017 - well over 6 months. - Arjayay (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Arjayay: After your edits removing all unreferenced redlinks I think the tag can be removed (for now). I just went through the list again and everyone with a redlink now has at least one citation supporting them. The blue links don't require references as their relationship is already established on their own pages. Thoughts? SEMMENDINGER (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion criteria

As stated at Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists, Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Adding individual items to a list:-

All lists must have clearly defined inclusion criteria
Every entry should demonstrate that it meets the notability criteria for its own article. Red-linked entries supported by references are only acceptable if the entry is verifiably a member of the list, and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future. This prevents indiscriminate lists, and prevents individual lists from being too large to be useful to readers.
Editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries with Wikipedia articles.
All items on the list must follow Wikipedia's core content policies of Verifiability (through good sources in the item's one or more references), No original research, and Neutral point of view

To summarize this guidance All redlinks, without a verifiable citation, should be removed and those with a citation should only remain if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming.
How one is supposed to assess whether "it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming" the guidance fails to explain.
This article has been tagged since April 2017 - well over 6 months - so there has been ample time for additional references to be added.
Personally, I would like to "choose to limit the list to entries with a Wikipedia articles", and eliminate all redlinks - as point 3 above - but that, unlike the unsupported redlink criteria cited immediately above, is a matter for consensus. - Arjayay (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree with everything you said. Just wish I found the page sooner, I'll be attempting to make articles for many of the red links provided I find good resources to cover them. So far have created 2 pages, hope for that number to get much higher in the coming months/year. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 01:20, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Why the multiple deletions of what I too think are notable people.

I knew Cooke, and editing The Federalist papers was a big deal at the time

I'm puzzled. Others also seem notable. Bellagio99 (talk) 03:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I restored Cooke; having a "named professorship" plus his other accomplishments are probably enough for WP:ACADEMIC notability. See my response on my talk page regarding the others. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chiming in - I think the removals were warranted (with the exception of Cooke, which has been restored). I generally dislike redlinks on list pages, but I understand they allow for future users to come and make topics about them with sources already found (something I've been working on for a few months as well). In this instance, those currently removed are not notable enough to warrant their own future wikipedia pages - at least not yet - so I think as it stands now is solid. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 15:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mmoreover, the Federalist has its own WP article, and by extension, helps the editor Cooke be mini-notable within Lafayette.Bellagio99 (talk) 23:07, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]