Talk:List of Numbers episodes

New format

The format of the episode lists takes after my original format from List of Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes. Ideally these would happen:

• A screenshot for each episode
• A concise description of each episode in the list
• A full overview/synopch episode would go on [[EPISODE NAME (NUMB3RS episode)]]
• A season infobox on each episode (see Volcano (South Park episode))
• A succession box at the bottom of each episode (again see Volcano (South Park episode))

Cburnett 18:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Separate pages for separate seasons

I noticed the page was getting larger and with season 3 coming soon, I thought I might separate the seasons into their own page so they can be expanded with more information as well, without making the main page too long and big. -- Ladida 14:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

There are other episode lists that are much longer than 3 seasons. For example, list of South Park episodes. Cburnett 03:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers

I don't think it's a good idea to copy blind episode spoilers from Spoilerfix.com. (Season three episodes from "Brutus" on are from Spoilerfix) 1. They are not being credited as the source 2. They are frequently wrong 3. A simple shorter description after the episode airs would give better information. --LadyShelley 22:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Credit the source!

If you are going to insist on copying verbatim a source have the decency to credit it. I have half a mind to go through and delete any spoilers that are copied over from spoilerfix.com --LadyShelley 05:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

If content has been copied verbatim from a non-GFDL source then it must be removed. Cburnett 05:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I will remove any episode descriptions that are pulled directly from spoilerfix (or any other site for that matter). --LadyShelley 19:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Just make sure that the other site didn't copy WP's text first. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cburnett (talk • contribs) 21:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Unfortunately that's not how it works. Spoilerfix gets their info from script calls and the like. they aren't getting any info from here.  :-) --LadyShelley 21:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You did say "any site" so I thought I'd clarify. Cburnett 22:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use removal

The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content has been removed. Please do not restore them. -M^ask? 23:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Massive copyright violation

The descriptions of all episodes from #311 on are taken word-for-word from the TV.com website[1]. I believe this is a copyright violation. I suggest the folks who have been consistently editing this article take this opportunity to describe the episodes using their own words; the Wikipedia copyright policy indicates that such violations need to be removed from articles. Since this is such a well-maintained page generally, there are probably enough editors familiar with the program to be able to clean this up without having the rest of their work adversely affected. Risker (talk) 06:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Episode 209

Hi guys, in episode 209, there's a suspect on a pile of a load of explosives with a flare and the cops have surrounded him. If the man drops the flare they all die, if he surrenders he could go to jail/be executed for his crime, so he's stuffed either way. David Krumholtz comes up with more magical math, he says if you give the man more leverage, he'll be able to negotiate to a desirable peaceful outcome. What was this equation (or whatever) called please? Ryan4314 (talk) 08:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Removal of episode descriptions

I watch this article for copyright infringement as along with many tv shows it is particularly prone to them. Recently, the episode descriptions were all removed *here), and I'm unsure why. Observations suggests that lacking an original episode description, contributors (usually IP) will simply post episode summaries from previously published sources. That's exactly what happened. Moreoever, there seems to be a tacit agreement that episode summaries are appropriate here, since most of the regular contributors to this article add them routinely.

I am restoring the episode summaries as they were for now pending further discussion of this matter. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was attempting a Bold process of fixing this article up. I have been interested in Numb3rs for a long time now, so I figured I could help write an article about it. One of the problems that I saw with this article is that the article summaries are actually unnecessary in an article of the size. I am not sure of the exact policy location, but this FLC informed me that it was preferable to move article summaries to subpage articles. After I had changed all of these to this sort of format, I would create articles like Numb3rs (season 1), which would be written similarly to Prison Break (season 2). This article could be written in the same way as List of The O.C. episodes.

That would make this article much easier to get to Featured List status, and also allow for a much greater expansion of the episodes at the season articles. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 18:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the best thing to do is the split the episode summaries into subarticles first or as you go, so that editors don't respond to a perceived vacuum by filling them in with copyright infringements? This would be a good idea for a lot of reasons, not in the least because you could then transcribe the tables from the subpages as is done at List of Prison Break episodes, where we have {{:Prison Break (season 2)}}. This will, of course, ensure that updates are made in both locations. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, that is something I could do. One thing that I hoped I could do would be to have it so the episode summaries don't show up on this page, but do on the season pages. User:Matthewedwards, a Featured List Director, informed me that this was preferable at FLC these days. Do you know how to do the formatting for this? NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 19:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. :/ If the episode summaries aren't to be listed on this page, it may not be possible to transclude them as the Prison Break article does. But the benefit to splitting first/simultaneously remains, since it could help prevent the copyright issue from rearing its ugly head. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I've never really watched the show (I've caught it two or three times), so I wouldn't be much good at creating subpages overall, but I'd be happy to help you split the material if that's what seems the best approach. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Splitting the material seems like the way to go then, and I would be grateful for your help. Do you think you can use the templates that I had been converting this to? That would help standardize everything. Also, I am positive that the edit summaries are possible to take out (see for example, Avatar: The Last Airbender (season 1)#Episodes and its interaction with List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes#Book One: Water (2005). Do you know anyone who is good at table formatting? NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 19:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I could. I tried to edit this article to put your templates back in, but I'm rubbish with that kind of thing, and I couldn't figure out how they worked. :) But the Avatar situation is interesting. Let me take a look at it and see if I can figure out what's going on. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

(Oh, if I can't figure it out, my first instinct would be to ask the person/people who did that. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC))

←I'm going to monkey in my sandbox for a minute and see if I can identify it for sure. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Fiddled around with it for a while, and got it fixed. It mostly involved monkeying around with {{Episode list/Numb3rs}}. I should be able to do the rest with it too. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 19:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, good for you, because I was about to admit defeat. :) I found the Avatar Episode list template, but I wasn't making it work with my Numb3rs test. Anyway, I can help by splitting the existing summaries (that you haven't already) to subpages for a start. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Remember, please, that when you split material from one article to another, you need to note a directly link to the source article in the in the edit summary to meet GFDL compliance. We need to provide a link to the attribution history of those contributors who wrote the episode summaries, since these are governable by copyright. :) I'll take care of it in the one you've already done. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

In my, haste, I forgot this, though I usually remember to do this. I think I got it. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 20:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

We all forget something sometimes. :) I just wanted to mention it in case you didn't know. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Season 3 - Episode Numbers

I noticed that 304 has been put as the number for two episodes in a row in the Season 3 section. Could someone with teh skillz fix it?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fimbulfamb (talk • contribs)

Nice catch! I have changed them all. Thanks a ton. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 22:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Section move

I'd like to propose we move the DVD information to below the episode listing. For one, a part from the LOE pages, it's generally standard practice among TV and Film articles to put DVD info last. This is a List of Episodes page, and not a List of DVDs page, so the first thing a reader should see should be the episodes. It's also a bit misleading to have it under "Series overview" (or something similar), because it isn't an overview or a summary. It's just a table for the DVD releases. I recently adjusted List of Smallville episodes to reflect that, moving the DVD info below the episodes under the new header of "Home video release", which is more appropriate given what it actually is. This isn't a major change, but I'd rather come to the talk pages of all the relevant LOE pages first.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd oppose this as well (see my rationale at Talk:List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes, but not for other such pages that focus more on the DVD like List of Smallville episodes. This one contains useful information about start and end dates for the season, and I think that is useful enough to keep it prominently featured. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 20:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Episode Pages

Why are there only pages for specific episodes? --173.32.11.254 (talk) 00:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)