Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe

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Czechia[edit]

The Short Name of Czechia should be changed to its short name, Czechia. The Czech Republic is its Formal Name. I understand that Wikipedia strives to be consistent with the common name rule and I do agree that Czech Republic is still the more common name. But this particular list is not a list of the common names. It is a list of Short and Formal names. And even though most people still choose to call the country by its Formal Name doesn't mean the country doesn't have its official short name. It does. It's Czechia, and it should be listed here. Thank you for your consideration and have a wonderful day :) --Danda Panda (talk) 23:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I support Czechia treat this like all the others and list the official short form. Newyearbaby (talk) 03:23, 3 October 2016 (UTC) Seriously why is this even an issue. the column says formal name and short form. Czechia is the offical short form name. What do the opponents have against this? Newyearbaby (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I think the active article name discussion Talk:Czech Republic is a better place for this conversation. It's easier for everyone involved if relatively minor articles like this follow the consensus set in main articles. Fitnr 04:38, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Indeed, this is a sensible general rule. The standard practice on secondary articles such as this has long been to use whatever the name of the article is, except in fairly exceptional circumstances where the decision to do something else is either blindingly obvious ("Georgia (country)") or where there's otherwise a clear consensus to do so (e.g. WP:IRE-IRL). Neither of these points applies here. Kahastok talk 18:49, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Column says one thing (English short) but it actually lists English common short names. A new section started in Czech Republic talk page. Chrzwzcz (talk) 17:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
In English as it is actually used, the short form name of the country in question is "Czech Republic".
But that's irrelevant. We should reflect the title of the article, and the article title is "Czech Republic" not "Czechia". Kahastok talk 20:33, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
YES Czech Republic IS common name, wikipedia article name and so on, as discussed and approved in the article about Czech Republic. BUT the column does not say "here comes wikipedia/common name of the country"- It says English short and formal names with links to official sources, where you can easily find, that Czechia is official English short name. These sources are totally ignored and replaced with Wikipedia's thought on the subject. So 1) it ignores official sources or rather 2) column name leaves space for interpretation what it really lists (if there are links to official documents it may be suspected that all is derived from them, not filtered through wiki frequency analysis). :::::I suspect you would rename company named ABC Czechia (not a real one, just example) to ABC Czech Republic only to match all occurrences on wiki on one term. Can you do it when citing concrete facts or sentences from formal documents and recommendations?!
In conclusion my proposal is: the column would contain only "Czech Republic", and only once, not twice repeated (see - Ukraine or Georgia aren't repeated), with small referenced note about Czechia being official but rarely used, and link to article about it. It can't hurt, the article contains a lot of notes and I don't see why to leave it. It does not help Czechia one bit, nor it is a promotion, but it may be satisfactory compromise since it is in mentioned in linked official documents as official short. Chrzwzcz (talk) 20:59, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The rights and wrongs of "Czechia" vs. "Czech Republic" are entirely irrelevant for our purposes. What's relevant is that the relevant article is at Czech Republic. If you don't like that, go there and request a move and get consensus for a change.
Having the "Czechia" vs. "Czech Republic" on every single article individually achieves nothing but waste everyone's time. Kahastok talk 21:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
This is a different kind of case. Here the table poses as official data (copied word for word name after name directly) from official linked sources, in other words article may be read as: according to official database sources official short name of Czech Republic IS "the Czech Republic" and nothing else, and it is simply not true. Is it justified fear? You'll say no, I'll say let's not risk and let's add a small clarifying note, the article is full of them :) That's all, no battles in articles about agriculture, music or train stations in the Czech Republic, just note or a paragraph in every article dealing with the name of countries (this one, Czech Republic, Name of the Czech Republic and that is maybe it). Enwiki is maybe little oversensitive to name Czechia, opposition rises immediately and Wiki editors do not investigate if in some particular rare cases it is really justified to include it. Chrzwzcz (talk) 22:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The column gives the conventionally used English name of the country. To use an example, there's no officlal goverment document in Switzerland that refers to the country with that name, but that's the English name of the country. [Talk:Czech Republic]] is the place to go to built consenus on a wiki-wide change to the convention used here. Fitnr 17:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The column name is "English short and formal names" and it contains links to official documents with official short and official long names in English, nothing about "common" names in column name. Switzerland is included in those linked documents so bad example and misunderstanding. Chrzwzcz (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Short names are rarely established through formalities, they refer to common English convention. Sometimes governments or organisations decide to promote a particular name, sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. Czechia simply hasn't made headway in this respect. CMD (talk) 04:19, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Well in case of newly established countries there is no "common" name so government pushed official name is first choice (for sources thus for wiki). OK, let's say linked sources are for long formal names only, but it does not deny possibility to add small note to explain that official short exists. Chrzwzcz (talk) 16:10, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry i just find this silly. The country has an official short form English name and people on wikipedia refuse to even list it on a list that includes short form names. My guess if they didn't have an official short form name yet people wanted to add Czechia, the argument against it would be it is not official. Newyearbaby (talk) 21:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

It is amazing how wikipedia hates the word Czechia they even change the name of the column to avoid having to use the official English short form Czechia, why do you people hate the word Czechia so much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.64.186 (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

column name and hatred of the word Czechia[edit]

English common and formal names was unilateral changes by a user Toddy1 after an "edit war" without discussion with anyone from short form. It was done to prevent the use of the official short form name of Czechia. Has he/she/it/they/hen or whatever gone thru and made sure all the other countries are using their "common" names? Czechia2016 (talk) 23:52, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Make sure all the countries are treated the same with their "common" name Czechia2016 (talk) 23:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

No one "hates Czechia." It's just not a common English-language usage. This article isn't the place to have a fight about this, visit Talk:Czech_Republic. Fitnr 16:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

The column was changed to "common name" from English short form name, after it was pointed out that Czechia was the official short form name in English, it may not be hatred but it sure seems like some really don't want the word used even in a column that listed countries short form name. Again have someone or will someone go through all the countries to make sure the table is using their "common" name? This is the place to talk about it because it was about the table on this pageCzechia2016 (talk) 20:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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