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Sport[edit]

What's this?

"They lost the Under-21 semi-final against Castlerahan on 18 November 2006."

Who are we talking about here? --Eamonnca1 23:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Music[edit]

This section seems to have become a battleground for bands trying to plug themselves at the expense of the others. I propose that it be deleted. --Eamonnca1 17:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

William Frederick McFadzean[edit]

How about the following wording to stop this silly edit war: "Died in an explosion of a box of primed grenades prior to the Battle of the Somme." Until someone can cite a source saying that he either dropped a grenade in (implying that he was incompetent) or that he threw himself onto it to save his friends (implying that he was a hero) or both, I suggest we hold off on specifics and stick to NPOV. --16:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eamonnca1 (talkcontribs)

If you look at William McFadzean you'll see a links through to proof on the BBC site. Regards, --Blowdart | talk 16:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
In this case, I think a "neutral" wording is not NPOV. He didn't get the VC for being an eejit with a box of grenades. --Alastair Rae (talk) 10:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Can we stop the edit war? If you can't agree an interpretation of the facts then go argue about it over in William McFadzean. --Alastair Rae (talk) 10:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Except removing text that is true simply to stop someone else introducing factual errors isn't the way to go about it. --Blowdart | talk 10:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Current text reads "Died when he threw himself on a box of primed grenades prior to the Battle of the Somme and was awarded the Victoria Cross." This explains why he's notable, and the source is correctly cited, so the text should remain as is. Seems to have stabilised around this anyway. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Census figures[edit]

Why aren't the census figures for Lurgan on the article?

I've re-added the historical census figures complete with their citation, and removed the red link that the other editor was objecting to. Please add new comments to the bottom of this page. Please sign comments. Thanks. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Assuming you mean the census figures template, it's a wee bit complicated. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland#Historical populations template --Alastair Rae (talk) 18:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'm the "other editor" mentioned above. Please review the discussion about the addition of the population stats mentioned above. There's currently a checkuser/sock puppet investigation. I'm happy to leave the template in place for now (in a collapsed state and without the redlink). This was a previous compromise agreed before we realised how disruptive this editor could be. Please drop me a note if you still have questions. Thanks Nelson50T 19:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I subsequently found that discussion, didn't see it mentioned on this particular talk page. I'll see you over there. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Lurgan Spade[edit]

The origin of the Lurgan spade phrase comes from an actual spade, a Lurgan spade is a bog cutting tool, long and thin to cut turf into sods. It's got nothing to do with any of the suggestions in the article. You can see examples of the Lurgan spade if you go to the museum at Tannaghmore Gardens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.124.133 (talk) 11:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I must admit that I had always thought it referred to a local varity of turf spade but I didn't want to disagree with the Craigavon Historical bods. The Irish language theory looks like a back-formation. Probably never know the right answer. --Alastair Rae (talk) 14:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I've seen several sources that support the "underpaid diggers of the park lake" theory. If we can get a source for the Irish language theory we should put that in. I'm tempted to put a 'citation needed' tag on that one but we'll see what our GA reviewer thinks of it. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

As kids we were often told that the Lurgan Spades weren't spades at all, it is a reference to the people who were employed to dig Lurgan Lake apparently. Archiesgone (talk) 22:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

In our schoolyard slang we were told that 'spade' was a name for anyone from Lurgan, anyone from the country was a 'munchy' (from the Irish 'Montaigh' meaning land of the bog). So you had the Munchies and the Spades or 'Townies'. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

This quote is taken from www.lurganpark.com the official website of Lurgan park which is owned by Craigavon Borough Council. - Lurgan Lake Lurgan Lake "This 59-acres man-made lake was dug during the Famine as a means of creating jobs for the local people At the time of its construction the lake was one of the largest hand dug lakes in Ireland. The artificial lake was one of the chief improvements to Lord Brownlow’s demesne, and it was during its construction that the term “Lurgan Spade” came into use. According to residents of the town, the workmen who were digging the lake worked for 1 1/2d to 3d a day, less than ordinary rate of wages. The workers were known as the Spades and due to the unpleasant nature of the work and their meagre rewards they were repudiated to be particularly sombre. As a result anyone who looks downtrodden or forlorn is to this day described as “having a face like a Lurgan spade”.

Ok yes it does say according to residents of the town, but I'm going to see if there are any reports of it from The Library's archive of the Lurgan Mail. I only hope the paper goes back that far! Archiesgone (talk) 22:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Lurgan Museum[edit]

Yesteryearman has added a paragraph about the "Lurgan Museum". I can't find any on-line mention of such a beast. Is it the Craigavon Museum or the Tannaghmore Barn Museum? Anybody got a cite? --Chuunen Baka (talk) 17:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I can't find any mention of it on the web either. I've added a citation request to the page, if I don't see a citation within a month or two then I'll pull that part out. I've tidied it up in the meantime. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm just removing it for now and I'll drop it in here until someone can find a decent source for it.

<quote>The Lurgan Museum houses one of the largest collections of items relating to Irish History in the North of Ireland. The Museum has many photographs and artefacts connected with Lurgan life over the past 150 years. It houses an extensive collection relating to the periods known as "The Troubles", "Operation Harvest" 1956-62, and "The 1916 Easter Rising". This collection also has a popular section covering the social history of the area. </quote>

--Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Townlands[edit]

Just noticed this: "The town sprang up in a townland (baile fearainn) called Lurgan, from which its name was derived. Since then, it has grown to cover the surrounding townlands, which lend their names to many roads and housing estates." Would you say that Lurgan 'covers' all the surrounding townlands? I'm not so sure about that. For the purpose of the postal service, it is customary (but not required) to use the townland followed by 'Lurgan' in the address, but I wouldn't say that this means that Lurgan 'covers' the other townlands as if they are part of Lurgan. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

In this context it simply means that 'Lurgan' (as in 'the built-up area that people call Lurgan') extends into these townlands. I suppose it could be changed to something like: "the urban area has extended into the surrounding townlands" ? ~Asarlaí 19:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I've changed it to say that the urban area now extends into the neighbouring townlands. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Famous people IKE WEIR[edit]

I noticed there isn't a wiki page on the above mentioned boxer who was born in Castle Lane. Would any of you be interested in starting one up. I would only I'm new to all of this. Cheers! Archiesgone (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Go right ahead. I've made his name into a red link, you can click on that and go ahead and create the page. Good luck and welcome to wiki! --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou I will start tomorrow, I would need help to put a picture of him up though! Archiesgone (talk) 16:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC) Haven't had a chance to start on Ike's article, need a bit of help too. If someone could manage to put a picture up that would be greatArchiesgone (talk) 18:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Well as you all can see I haven't got around to it yet, but might someday Archiesgone (talk) 22:39, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

'Derry'[edit]

The townland called 'Derry' has reappeared again. Where is this place? I know many townlands that start with that word but I don't know if any in the area just called Derry. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 00:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

The Placenames Database (click here) shows that there's a townland called 'Derry' in the county of Armagh, barony of Oneilland East, parish of Shankill. Then if we look at an old ordnance survey map (click here, select "historic", and zoom in) we can see that it's directly north of Shankill Church. ~Asarlaí 13:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
OK --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I actually just saw a reference to it, apparently the site of St Peter's chapel is in the townland of Derry. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
It is also listed as a entry at the List of townlands in County Armagh article. Bjmullan (talk) 21:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Population[edit]

Census figure for 2001 is 25,048, population estimate in the infobox says 25,000. We should standardise on a single figure and I was going to say let's go with the census figure. However there's a source [1] that claims 38,000, no citation given at that source. I recommend we go with 25,048 and cite the census as the source. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

As pointed out by User:Superfopp, the population of Portadown is calculated here by summing the electoral wards. What is the equivalent set of wards for Lurgan? --Chuunen Baka (talk) 11:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

See User talk:Superfopp#Population stats in Craigavon.
I'll get round to it when I have a bit more time (unless someone gets there before me). ~Asarlaí 14:29, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
What a bloody awful website, must have been put together by a beginner web developer! Do you have a link to a page that lists the wards in Craigavon? If you can give me that I'll go in and sum up the wards for Lurgan. I think that's the last thing left before we get GA status. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
According to this, the wards in Lurgan, with their respective ward codes, are:
  • Church 1425
  • Donaghcloney 1405
  • Knocknashane 1426
  • Magheralin 1404
  • Mourneview 1424
  • Parklake 1421
  • Waringstown 1406
I would have a good mind to list these in the article too since WP:UKCITIES asks for that info. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 03:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I think I have it. Spreadsheet here.
  • Church 2188
  • Donaghcloney 2791
  • Knocknashane 2872
  • Magheralin 3883
  • Mourneview 2623
  • Parklake 2555
  • Waringstown 3349
  • Total 20,261.
That's way short of the 25,000 claimed up to now, closer to the figure for 1971. What'll we do? Go ahead and use 20,261 and cite the spreadsheet? It does contain links to 2001 census data even if it doesn't explicitly say the data is from 2001. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
That spreadsheet isn't very accurate. Although it groups those wards under "Lurgan", they aren't the wards that match (what most people would regard as) the boundaries of Lurgan town. Have a look at the map.
I think our best bet of getting a (fairly) accurate number is by using the method I explained here... because the page about each ward has a map that shows where the urban area is and where the rural area is (see here for example).
I hope that didn't come off as arrogant :p
~Asarlaí 16:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Judging by the maps on each page, the wards that make up Lurgan are:
As you can see from the maps, Donaghcloney, Magheralin and Waringstown are mostly rural and outside (what most people would regard as) the boundaries of Lurgan town.
~Asarlaí 16:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
That's fine. I was a bit surprised to see Waringstown included but Woodville excluded, to be honest. I'll tidy up the text a little bit more. Looks like we have GA status then. Good work everyone! --Eamonnca1 (talk) 17:44, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Order of prominence of sports clubs[edit]

I've reverted an edit that claims that Lurgan Rugby Club (who I never heard of until first reading this article) is more prominent than all the GAA clubs in town. This is a subjective claim, the previous wording of the list of sports clubs was fine. As a GAA enthusiast I could quite easily have listed all the GAA clubs first, but to avoid an edit war I decided to put soccer, cricket and cycling ahead of the GAA clubs. Let's not get too hung up on the order we're using here, and let's not put make dubious claims in our edit comments about which sport we think is more prominent. I'd also be interested in hearing on what grounds the title "Association Football" is being used as opposed to the more widely recognised "Soccer". --Eamonnca1 (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, first, I didn't make any comment, "dubious" or otherwise about which sport is more prominent, so please retract that accusation. Second, I've never heard of any of the GAA clubs, while Lurgan Rugby Club is an esstablished rugby club with a long history in the town. What level do the GAA clubs play at? Third, why do you insist in listing Dollingstown, a minor football club ahead of Glenavon, who play at the top level of football in Northern Ireland and have previously been Irish League champions? Fourth, "soccer" (as you call it) is known primarily as "football" in Northern Ireland - I used "association football" to differentiate it from Gaelic football, which I would have thought you would have welcomed. My own preference would be for the simple "football". Fifth, why capital letters for cricket, hurling, etc. Sixth, why is cycling listed ahead of Gaelic games and rugby? Mooretwin (talk) 00:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
There is no particular need to sort these clubs in any particular order. Dollingstown was ahead of Glenavon because Dollingstown starts with a D and Glenavon starts with a G, this used to be an alphabetised bullet list. There is no need to say, as you did in your edit comment, that you were sorting football clubs in order of prominence with a Rugby football club ahead of all the Gaelic football clubs. The capitalization of certain words was probably put there by a previous editor, I have no problem with making them lowercase. I ask again on what grounds do you use the term 'association football' rather than 'soccer'? If you can quote me a WP policy that insists on saying association football then I'll go along with it - I simply say soccer because that's far more recognisable a term for the game in my experience. See also WP:CIVIL next time you feel the need to demand a retraction of an 'accusation'. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Let's take this one issue at a time.
1. Do you object to listing the most prominent football club, i.e. Glenavon, first?
No actually. The original listing was alphabetical and I thought it was cleaner. If you want to re-order them, knock yourself out. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
2. On what basis should the Gaelic clubs be listed ahead of the rugby club? How prominent are the Gaelic clubs? Are they particularly successful? At what level do they compete?
Rugby starts with an R and Gaelic starts with a G. Alphabetical list. Remember? How prominent are the clubs? Let's just say that the rugby club would love to get the kind of attendances these GAA clubs get on a regular basis at their games, especially when two local teams are playing. At what level do they compete? Senior - the highest level in the GAA. Are they particularly successful? At one time or another some of them have been, Clan na nGael in particular. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
3. On what basis should the cycling club be listed ahead of the Gaelic clubs?
Alphabetical listing by sport. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
4. If you agree that the sports should not be given capital letters, can you restore those particular edits, and at least we can tick that one off?
Already done. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
5. I already explained why I used "association football" - it is a compromise rather than simply saying "football". My personal preference, however, would be "football". "Soccer" is not used in Northern Ireland, indeed it is frowned upon by followers of the sport - it is mainly an American term. Throughout most of the world, the sport is known as "football". If you do not like "association football", do you object to "football"? If you object to "football", why can't you accept "association football" as a compromise between "soccer" and "football"? (Note that if you type in "soccer" in WP, you'll be redirected to Association football.)
Actually, 'soccer' is used in Northern Ireland. When in a conversation where it's not clear which code is being referred to, it's customary to refer to association football as 'soccer'. In Northern Ireland, association football is referred to by its own followers as 'football' and by people who move in GAA circles as 'soccer'. When GAA people say 'football' they usually mean Gaelic football unless it's clear from the context that they are referring to soccer. If the conversation, or in this case the article section, is dealing with both codes, then it us customary to spell out when you're referring to soccer and when you're referring to gaelic. Since 'association football' is not a term used in Northern Ireland and 'soccer' is, it is appropriate to use the term 'soccer' in this article per WP:TIES. Note that another part of the article, Notable people, uses the term 'football' in reference to soccer players since it is clear from the context which code is being referred to. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
6. Finally, please do not continue to imply that my comment about the order of prominence of football clubs had anything to do either with rugby or GAA. Mooretwin (talk) 01:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Well then don't try to imply that rugby is more popular than gaelic in a town that has one rugby club and half a dozen gaelic clubs. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
1. I did re-order them, but you reverted. Since you do not object to the edit, would you mind fixing the list back?
Will do. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
2. You claim the list was alphabetical according to sport, yet you had "soccer" first, therefore that can't be right. I'll accept your argument about the prominence of the Gaelic clubs in good faith, and agree to them being listed ahead of the rugby club.
Soccer was previously listed as 'Association football' which is why it came first. When I changed it to 'soccer' I decided not to move it down the list in case some pedantic soccer fan raised objections and I didn't want to start an edit war, so I left it ahead of Gaelic football which is actually more popular in the town. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
3. I don't agree that the cycling club should enjoy prominence over the Gaelic clubs or, indeed, any of the other listed sports. I think it should go last - what do you think?
I don't care either way. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
4. Thank you.
5. As explained, "soccer" is not used in Northern Ireland except, as you admit, by GAA followers. To most, it is known as "football", and followers of the sport often object to the term "soccer", and cringe when they hear it. "Association football" is used, and is preferred to "soccer". It would be appreciated if you would accept the compromise of using "association football" rather than "soccer".
In other words, soccer is used in Northern Ireland. There are many things that make people cringe in Northern Ireland. Some people cringe at the sound of 'Londonderry' for example, but on Wiki we have reached a compromise on that and we put up with it. I suggest that you learn to put up with the sound of 'soccer' because whether you like it or not it is a widely used term in Northern Ireland, unlike 'association football'. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
6. Having one rugby club and six Gaelic clubs is not necessarily a measure of prominence or popularity, but I've already conceded that the Gaelic clubs can be listed first anyway. Mooretwin (talk) 10:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Well actually it is a measure of popularity, and gaelic football is more popular than rugby. You may not like that fact and I regret that, but there is nothing I can do to change it. But we'll let that go for now. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
It's not necessarily a measure of popularity. One rugby club might have a thousand members and ten thousand spectators, while six GAA clubs have thirty members each and a hundred spectators each. I've no idea whether Gaelic football is more popular than rugby in Lurgan - but I've already accepted in good faith your argument that it is. Whether or not I "like" that is completely irrelevant. Wikipedia is not about personal likes or dislikes. This dialogue has been partially constructive: it's a pity that you adopted such a negative tone. Mooretwin (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I'd be happy to adopt a more positive tone if I thought your edits were in good faith. It was a bit hard to WP:AGF given the dubious circumstances in which you arrived at this page. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Lurgan, like most NI articles, is on my watchlist. If you change "soccer" back to "association football", we'll have a full consensus on this. Mooretwin (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, right. I've been editing this article flat out for the last couple of months and you don't show up on it until 36 minutes after I give you a polite reminder not to use ad-hominem attacks in another discussion elsewhere. Check out WP:HOUND. You drop your request to change 'soccer' to 'association football' and then we'll have full consensus. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that during the eighties, I remember that Davitt Park, GAA ground in Francis st Lurgan was where the County Armagh Ulster Championship and All Ireland home games were played. Now anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong, but as the debate rages on about rugby apparently being a more famous sport in Lurgan and Gaelic the lesser famous, how come Gaelic games of such prominence were played here? What major national Rugby matches were contested in the 80's or any decade for that matter in Lurgan town? That point aside, I agree with placing the sports alphabetically, it makes better sense.Archiesgone (talk) 22:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to comment on the use of the word soccer in Northern Ireland. This word is widely used in amongst Gaelic supporters in order to differientiate between two sports. Gaelic football fans would call Gaelic football, football while they would refer to british football as soccer. Ofcourse I realise this has already been pointed out, but just because only one section of the community use this word it doesn't mean we should say that this expression is regarded as cringeworthy by ALL fans when this is evidently not so.Archiesgone (talk) 22:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Embedding photos[edit]

Anyone know how to embed photos from Wikimedia commons? There's a lovely picture here of Lurgan Town Hall that I'd like to drop into the Governance section. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 00:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

You just include them as if they were on WP.en
like this
and on the subject of pics has anybody got one of Brownlow House? --Chuunen Baka (talk) 08:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes I've got some absolutely beautiful old and new professional pictures of Brownlow house from the last book I worked on, I will ask the photographer of the new ones and the owners of the old ones for permission but I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. Though first I need to lay my hands on a scanner! So it will be a few weeks until I can email them to you. I will have to do it that way because I wouldn't be able to work it out myself!Archiesgone (talk) 22:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC) Whoops I forgot I can't because I don't have your email, so please if anyone's got the time can you give me some pointers as to how I can post Photos on here? If this isn't possible Eamonn, can I give you my facebook or email address in private chat so that I can successfully upload them for you so you can post whichever photo you feel suits best? Archiesgone (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a good question. WP:IMAGE is a good place to start, apparently. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Double dutch to me I'm afraid, sorry!Archiesgone (talk) 23:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
No bother. Stick around and keep editing, you'll get the hang of it. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 05:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Like I said, double dutch! Pity, because the photos are really beautiful especially the ones from the early part of the last century. Archiesgone (talk) 13:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Elizabethan-style manor house
Brownlow House
Was in Lurgan at weekend so I bagged a snap of Brownlow House. Wish I'd had time to take a better one of the park. --Chuunen Baka (talkcontribs) 08:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
NIce! Thanks. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Lurgan College's connection to CS Lewis[edit]

Hello does anyone think it would be worth mentioning in the article that Albert Lewis, CS Lewis's father was taught at Lurgan College? It's just I think this piece of literary history is quite interesting and encouraging! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archiesgone (talkcontribs) 22:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

It's interesting, but a bit of a loose connection. If CS Lewis himself taught there then I'd think it'd be worth including, but not his dad, or brother, or cousin, or other relative. Reminds me of a segment they did on Talkback one time where there was some tourist 'attraction' in south Down whose only claim to fame was that CS Lewis may have stayed there once. They pay a person to stay there and give tour guides. True story. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
It is a loose connection, but surely it is strengthened by this?
Albert Lewis, C. S. Lewis' father attended the school from 1877-79 under Headmaster W.T. Kirkpatrick. Albert later became Kirkpatrick's solicitor. When Kirkpatrick retired and began to privately tutor pupils he taught both of Albert's sons, first Warnie Lewis whom he prepared for the Royal Military College at Sandhurst, and later C.S. Lewis himself.
Archiesgone (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't think it's notable enough to justify going into the article. It reads like "so-and-so knew so-and-so who knew so-and-so who was famous." There's just to many degrees of separation there. If CS Lewis him/herself was at the school then that'd be worth mentioning. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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External links modified[edit]

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I have just modified 9 external links on Lurgan. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

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Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:26, 9 January 2018 (UTC)