Talk:Manuka, Australian Capital Territory

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Pronunciation[edit]

There was a reference to the pronunciation of the place being different to the pronunciation of the New Zealand tea tree because of how Queen Elizabeth might have pronounced it when she visted Canberra in 1954. By 1954 the place was well established and I do not believe that she would have influenced the pronounciation. Secondly the drawn out "a" (Marnucka)with the emphasis on the first syllable - does not sit well with a British accent. Further there is a strong connection of the British Royal family to NZ including a Queen's Service Order which incorporates a stylised manuka flower - the Queen is likely to have heard the NZ pronunciation more often than that of shopping centre in Canberra, albeit the order was established in 1975. If you want to include the queen with reference to the pronunciation , please cite a source.--AYArktos 10:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I indicated the source as anecdotal and I've heard it often enough that there may be a grain of truth to it. Since there is no other explanation I think it is worth including. If someone has contradictory evidence then they can correct it rather than remove the anecdotal explanation. People change their pronunciation of common words when they are used differently by celebrities so I don't think it is that unrealistic. With regards to my pronunciation guide, Americans and others may interpret nuck to be nook whereas I don't think anyone is going to get confused by a long aa sound. Ideally this would be replaced with proper phonic representation but I'm not familiar with that. Garglebutt / (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I am a third generation Canberran, and have confirmed with my mother who lived in Canberra from 1950 that the pronunciation predated the Queen's 1954 visit. I have never heard the anecdote to which you refer. There is not reference to it via an internet search nor in histories I have of Canberra; most notably Lionel Wigmores "The Long View" fails to mention it. As Wigmore's book is, although authoratitive, fairly anecdotal in tone, I think the anecdote did not have any currency in the early 60s when he was writing. Furthermore, in terms of encyclopaedic style I think the principle should be, if you cannot cite a source leave it out, not, as was proposed, in the absence of any sources to the contrary leave it in. However, since I have it on verbal advice from a resident of Canberra pre 1954 that the pronunciation did not change in 1954, it should stay out.--AYArktos 23:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Oh well that's more evidence than I have! it will remain a mystery for now. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

In an article in the 3/6/1927 edition of The Canberra Times [1], the pronunciation is clearly described as having stress on the first syllable, and as if spelled "mah-nuka". This is the currently accepted pronunciation, and anecdotes notwithstanding, there's no reason to think that it has changed between then and now. Although the idea that the Queen made a difference makes a great story! Jlaidman (talk) 03:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

More on the Canberra pronunciation purportedly being different from the NZ pronunciation: googling "Manuka honey pronunciation" produced numerous links. I checked out three (Collins dictionary, dictionary.com, newzealandhoneyshop) all of which gave the pronunciation of the NZ tree as having the stress on the first syllable. This seems conclusive, though perhaps it needs a Kiwi contributor to settle it finally. 02:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)amattum

Competition with Kingston[edit]

The article still needs to deal with the planning decision to place Kingston shops, also a major centre so close and the issues arising from that competition.--AYArktos 10:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


Capitol theatre[edit]

Couldn't find the year that it was destroyed, anyone know? Cfitzart 13:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

It was in the late 1970s. I saw the first Star Wars there so it was still around in 1977. I think it was destroyed 1978. There was a lot of secrecy about the destruction and I knew someone shortly afterwards who worked for the organisation and described the secrecy around the project as they knew there would be much protest.--AYArktos 23:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Ok I've added it as late 70s thanks Cfitzart 06:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Agree with 1978 or 1979. I saw Superman there and that may have been the last film screened prior to its redevelopment. The first film to screen in the new cinema was The Empire Strikes Back (1980). However, I don't recall any secrecy - I was fully aware that it was to be demolished. MartinL-585 (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
This says it was demolished in March 1980.
I have fond memories of the old Capitol, too. The 2 redevelopments since (or is it more? I live interstate now) are not a patch on the old Cap. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 07:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Auction of allotments[edit]

Currently the article says: "Business allotments for Manuka were included in the first auction of city leases in December 2004." 2004 is obviously supposed to be something else. I'm guessing maybe 1924, although it is possible that it was 1914 and that nothing moved there for 10 years. Can somebody either confirm, or just 'be bold' and edit to 1924. Adz 07:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

sorry - should have been 1924 - mea culpa - or perhaps I was just checking if anyone read it - maybe not ....--AYArktos 12:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Area/suburb[edit]

I put the bit about it being confused as a suburb at the top, seems fairly common to do - found 64 results on google for "suburb of Manuka" - [2] Not sure how to best put the wording. More people interstate would have heard of Manuka than Griffith, so it doesnt seem right to just say that it is located in Griffith? Cfitzart 04:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


Miscellaneous facts[edit]

I wanted to collect miscellaneous facts here on the talk page before trying to put them in the article. Please feel free to add, correct, suggest how to incorporate ...--AYArktos 01:40, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

The Canberra Times of 6 September 2005 had a here and now section where they stated that the supermarket on the corner of Bouganville Streets and Flinders Way was owned by Rogers. In December 1964, Rogers was negotiating with Woolworths to exchange the Manuka site ofr the Woolworths premises in East Row Civic. In 2003 the site was bought by a local developer (Renato"Reg" Cervo) for $6.7million and work has been underway (extremely slowly) to develop 17 specialist retail shops. The previous owner was Dick Smith.

Manuka Plaza was built on the old carpark and opened in 2000. The carpark had previously been a hockey oval.

Bill O'Brien and before him his father Mick - fishing tackle and barber shop on the lawns - closed because of the high lease costs late 1990s - now a coffee shop. Trophy reference to shop [3] First retail shop conversion to coffee shop was Redpath's shoes on the Lawns to Grandes?

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