Talk:Marc H. Ellis

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ISBNs for the books would be an improvement. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 19:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

references

this article as it stands reads like a fan-written "biography" more than anything encyclopaedic. in particular, no references are given for a number of statements, and (before I edited them) the wording for a number of sections was decidedly POV.

could anyone more familiar with this person please help in improving the article? --Black Butterfly 11:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

additionally, I edited the (now-dead) original link to the "self hating jews" page to reference a page discussing the list itself; however I've yet to see any evidence the list has any kind of importance which warrants its inclusion in this article. --Black Butterfly 11:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bio section

This is not biographical information - the writer has copied and pasted the glowing comments from the back covers of the subject's books. I should think, in addition, that a balanced treatment might include his relationship with controversial figures, groups. and positions, such as Norman Finkelstein - he endorses Finkelstein's The Holocaust Industry - Palestinian Solidarity, a "One State" solution to the Palestinian question, and is said to be widely cited in Holocaust denial literature. See Steven Plaut for more info, or at least do a little research. As is this article appears to be a press release from the subject's PR office. Marcopolo27 13:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Is said to be widely cited in Holocaust denial literature"? Oh boy. You should do your homework. Also, Unholy Alliance is not autobiographical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.9.78 (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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FrontPageMag.com has been discussed here: #1, #2, #3, #4

David Horowitz Freedom Center has been discussed here: #1

From the above discussions; I will remove reference to them. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed

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Changing content

Hello everyone,

The information on the website is not current. After discussions with Baylor University Prof. Marc Ellis formally retired from Baylor University and any mutual acussations Baylor and Ellis could have finished in an agreement. I tried to modify this but another editor did not accept the request. Please modify as you wish, but let's try to make this page current. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 17:41, 28 October 2012‎ (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I reverted this edit of yours in which you (without any explanation) mangled a couple of paragraphs and removed references. Favonian (talk) 17:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And another thing: the old version contained a source, the new one doesn't, so I'll revert your changes. Please provide sources for your claims before trying to reintroduce them. Favonian (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please be aware I was the person introducing the paragraph I want to modify. There is currently no process against Marc Ellis at Baylor and there is not acussation of Marc Ellis against Baylor at the present moment. That makes the information I wrote a year ago inaccurate. Please accept the modification or at least delete the paragraph with the information that is not current. Marc Ellis is currently not a professor at Baylor and since his retirement was done according to the guidelines of Baylor University there is no public announcement (i.e. source) except in the private records of the university. If the editor has any doubts she/he can contact Baylor University directly. The existence of an internet source does not secure the veracity of the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 18:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:BLP. Compliance is mandatory. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize. I am not an usual wikipedia editor. I am a professor in the same field of Marc Ellis who thinks this information that is posted in the article is inaccurate and does not represent the current state of affairs of the case. You will not find 'sources' (i..e internet sources) because this was an agreement between an organization and a particular to put an end to a situation of mutual accussations. A good researcher knows very well that sources one find in internet are not fully reliable so to ask for an internet source as the only possibility to certify a claim defeats the purpose of free circulation of ideas. If wikipedia was born to offer accurate information independently of authorative sources, the editors who reverted the article are not offering the best service to the public. Marc Ellis is not currently in the faculty of Baylor and, according to the records of the university itself, he retired. I strongly believe this should be enough to put an end to this discussion. The reputation of a living author is in play here (signed Slabodsky-- I unaware how to sign here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 19:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Baylor still list him as Director of the Center for Jewish Studies on this web page? Though they may choose not to trumpet his departure, it would be unusual to continue displaying his name so prominently. Favonian (talk) 19:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fanovian, please first let me tell you I thank you for your work editing articles. I have seen your record and all of us who use the system are thankful. But here I have information from the author himself about this situation. The Center of Jewish Studies website was not taken down but the center is not functioning anymore. A very short surf through the website will show that a center that hosted at least 15/20 events the years currently has none listed since last year. A simple call to Baylor will confirm this fact. He is not listed in his department webpage (http://www.baylor.edu/history/index.php?id=75248). We don't know the details of the settlment that were private between and organization and an individual. But there is no activity in his center (that has been dismantled), he is not listed in the website and according to official Baylor records he retired as of this Fall 2012. Unfortunately this is all the information I can provide. I believe that mantaining the focus in the mutual accussations hurts both the institution and the individual especially when both of them have tried to leave them behind. Thank you for your understanding. I would like to add the phrase "Marc Ellis retired from Baylor in the Fall of 2012. During his retirement years he will be visiting professor in a number of universities in North America, Europe and Latin America." (signed Slabodsky) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 19:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Ellis just provided me with a picture of his retirement document. I will be very happy to provide it to the editor if that helps to accelerate the process. Thank you (signed Slabodsky) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 19:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The best way to do this would be through Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team. This would ensure that the request is properly authenticated, while preserving privacy. Favonian (talk) 19:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Would you mind to walk me through the process with the response team (I looked at it and I am not sure how to proceed)? I apologize but I am not a usual editor and would just want to submit the document so we can proceed with the change. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 20:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As this is a BLP issue, you should send an email to info-en-q

wikimedia.org, explaining the situation with reference to this discussion, and include the evidence for your claim. I have never had to go through this procedure myself, so I'm not certain how much more proof-checking has to be done. Favonian (talk) 20:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

thanks, i appreciate it. S — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slabodsky (talk • contribs) 20:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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the indigenous of Jewish

As i noted in my edit summary, this is, though it is impeccably sourced to Ellis himself, an ugly phrasing in its idiosyncratic use of 'Jewish' (an adjective) as a substantive. In paraphrase one can overcome this by simply rewriting the "indigenous" of Jewishness. You suggest keeping it with the bracketed (life), "the indigenous of Jewish"(life). Actually, he wasn't speaking of Jewish life but Jewish practice as often as not. My sympathy for Ellis (I've cited him on several articles over the years) accounts for my suggestion: I dislike the idea that this particular quixotic phrasing (two adjectives being used as substantives) might lend itself to the raising of a critical eyebrow or dozens, it is so haplessly awkward. Still, if you prefer something ugly to stand, rather than being deftly modulated to erase what many readers would take exception to as ugly, there's little I can do. The source backs you up, and that is what counts here. Nishidani (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]