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Mary Archer is not a "Baroness", you are only a Baroness if you are created a life peer. Mary Archer is married to a Peer, and thus takes the title "Lady" as a courtesy title. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LukeLockwood (talkcontribs) 14:21, 2006 April 11 (UTC).

This article has just been moved to fix the title. -- PFHLai 16:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Rubbish. Proteus (Talk) 18:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Really ? According to Peerage#Styles and titles, "the wife of a Baron is officially titled Lady, while a woman holding that rank in her own right (usually a life peeress) is officially titled Baroness but is also commonly referred to in speech as Lady." Which one applies to Mary Archer ? Or, is the Peerage page wrong ? And, do we really need the peerage title in the article title ? -- PFHLai 19:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
If the article says that, it's wrong. There's a huge difference between conventional usage and the legal form of a title — Barons are always referred to as "Lord So-and-So" as well, but we put their articles at John Smith, Baron So-and-So, because that's the correct full form. Legally, there's no difference between the titles of a Baroness in her own right and the wife of a Baron: they're both "The Right Honourable Mary Jane, Baroness Something-or-Other". Proteus (Talk) 14:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Debretts Correct Form or Burke's Peerage are the one's you want to look this up. The wife of a baron is titled Lady but NOT Baroness. A female life peer can only be a baroness. As Mary Archer is not a peer, she is only a Lady out of her marriage to her husband. If she were to become divorced she would lose that title, theoretically. It is worth noting that the children and wife of a peer are still commoners, it is only when the male dies that the eldest son then ceases to become a commoner and then a peer. Also wives of Knights are able to call themselves "lady". LukeLockwood

You obviously haven't actually read the Debrett's work you cite, because it says no such thing. Proteus (Talk) 14:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You can only be Rt. Hon. if you are a member of the privy council, the wife of a peer would not be made one. You have to have sat in either house of parliament to be one.

I'm sorry, but that's rubbish. Proteus (Talk) 16:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Common Usage[edit]

I notice that this article is the only one which does not distinguish between the wife of a peer and a Baroness in her own right. Isn't this rather confusing? When I saw the article, I thought Mary Archer had been given a peerage, which she hasn't. Surely it could be corrected.

Other similar persons' entries (e.g. Audrey Callaghan) are clearer.

I also notice that the poster repeatedly correcting it has supplied no source, yet others have supplied a source for suggesting that the article should be renamed. Yet it is the unsupported, confusing version that remains. How odd. --Stevouk 11:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


Her maiden name is spelled as "Weeden" and "Weedon".

The name of Mary's father is known, but not that of her mother.
Her father is said to be Harold Norman Weeden.

Mary Archer: physicst[edit]

I have generally been impressed by the fact that Mary Arche is a physicist