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Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2021

Change from "and Paris before moving to New York City in 1996"

to

"..and Paris before MIGRATING to New York City in 1996" 2603:8000:D801:4C87:B80C:C8D8:F183:7D6E (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: They're synonyms, it effectively says both as is — IVORK _Talk 23:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Vouge Cover

She was the first first lady in modern history to not be profiled for Vouge and Ana Wintour herself admitted it was because of her politics. It seems worth mentioning

Can you suggest a reference or two that make a point of this? -- MelanieN (talk) 21:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

"Biden Justice Department"

The section titled "First Lady of the United States" ends with a reference to "the Biden Justice Department". I assume they're referencing the Department of Justice, which is not typically renamed as the presidency changes hands. I recommend revising this sentence for the sake of accuracy and neutrality.

Ohheyjosh (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Is the "Cultural depictions" section necessary"

This section seems unnecessary and does not seem relevant to the page. I reviewed past First Lady's of the US and from First Lady Rosalynn Carter to First Lady Jill Biden only First Lady Laura Bush has a section to "In popular culture" or "Cultural depictions". Addiontally, the section does not have any information on it and only a link to the main article of Cultural depictions of Melania Trump. I recommend removing this section as it does not add any benefit to this article and is not consistent with past First Lady's. Grahaml35 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2022

2601:81:8401:F9A0:A4FE:5118:C973:9E17 (talk) 22:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Melania Trump was First Lady of the United States of America from 2016 - 2020.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2023

Should delete "(this was illegal under the terms of said visa)" This is not illegal. Undocumented workers come to the USA without VISAs, work in the USA and live in the USA. In fact they are protected in New York State and California from arrest and deportations.

Film crews and models arrive all the time in the USA and conduct their work and leave the country. They get paid for this work all the time. Films about New York are best filmed in the USA. Anilbhalani (talk) 18:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: A reliable source provided in the article (see [1]) states otherwise, and Wikipedia focuses on what the sources say. The fact that a state or local jurisdiction in the U.S may protect those without VISAs from arrest or deportation doesn't mean it isn't a crime federally; U.S law is filled with such contradictions.

If you would like to argue that the source is factually incorrect, and/or argue for the removal of the statement for another reason, you may discuss here to generate consensus. —Sirdog (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2023

Should "Germanized" better link to article "Orthographic transcription" and NOT to "Germanisation"? The change was about spelling her Slovenian name according to German orthography. 2003:E7:3F4A:E300:C909:ED39:63BC:857 (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done voorts (talk/contributions) 23:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2023

There is an typographical error in the box on the right-side where personal details a are listed:

Personal details Born Melanija Knavs April 26, 1970 (age 53) Novo Mesto, SR Slovenia, SFR Yugoslaviahi

The country of birth is not Yugoslaviahi, but SFR Yugoslavia. Mojzer (talk) 08:28, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023

Melania was First Lady of the United States of America from 2016 to 2020 80.2.90.75 (talk) 07:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. She was First Lady from January 20, 2017 to January 20, 2021. Cullen328 (talk) 07:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: M.Bitton (talk) 12:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2023

Why on every other First Lady it says First Lady of the United States and their times served but Melania says former First Lady? How biased can it be 68.193.176.142 (talk) 04:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 04:28, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2023

67.184.34.128 (talk) 20:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC) Melania Knavs radace trump is a Slovenian businesswomen and fashion model and entrepreneur and philthropist.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024

It says In 2005 Trump married Donald Trump. What does this mean? 2001:579:C250:2AD:4FE6:FB6E:B81C:2AC0 (talk) 21:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Sorry for the confusion. In formal documents, it is customary to refer to people by their last name. Melania Trump's last name is Trump. "Trump married Donald Trump" means that "[Melania] married Donald Trump."

Not done for now: If you believe it should be reworded for clarity, please reply with a specific request for the article, such as "change X to Y", verbatim. Otherwise, your request isn't likely to be accepted.
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} ⋮ 21:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Null edit request. It means the subject of the article married Donald Trump. Objective3000 (talk) 21:36, 11 February 2024‎ (UTC)

False Statement....not

"Despite Donald Trump's loss of the 2020 election, Melania ended her tenure by endorsing his false statement that he had been the legitimate election winner."

The word "false" should be deleted from the above sentence and only the word "statement" should be included'.

By adding the word False, you are stating YOUR opinion and not the facts. 2601:680:CC00:FDD0:C9C0:3D21:B085:7F3A (talk) 06:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

No, it is not opinion. It is the result of scores of court cases, recounts, and investigations and well sourced. O3000, Ret. (talk) 21:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Grammar in "Life in the White House" is incorrect

In the first paragraph of "Life in the White House" it is stated that "In her first year, Melania gave only eight speeches, compared to 74 by Michelle Obama 'as' 42 by Laura Bush.". I believe "as" should be replaced with "and". Elliespaghellie (talk) 05:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for catching that! It's fixed now. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Melania Trump/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 07:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 02:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Thebiguglyalien, I’ll review this article :)).  750h+ | Talk  02:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Prose

• ”Melania Trump (born Melanija Knavs;[a] April 26, 1970) is a Slovenian-American former model who served as the first lady of the United States from 2017 to 2021 as the wife of President Donald Trump.” That sentence might be a bit too long. Maybe “Melania Trump (born Melanija Knavs;[a] April 26, 1970) is a Slovenian-American former model who is the wife of President Donald Trump. As such, she was the first lady of the United States, serving from 2017 to 2021.”
• ”She changed the spelling of her name to Melania Knauss” For conciseness, consider changing to “She changed her name to Melania Knauss”
• ”They began dating, and she began adjusting to a more lavish lifestyle.” Maybe change to “They began dating, and she adopted a more lavish lifestyle.”
• ”In the month leading up to the election, she was forced to respond to the Access Hollywood tape that had caused a scandal for her husband.” remove had
• ”Her father Viktor Knavs first worked as a chauffeur, and he eventually sold car parts for a state-owned vehicle manufacturer as he made connections with the communist party.” Maybe changed to “Her father, Viktor Knavs, worked initially as a chauffeur before he began selling car parts for a state-owned vehicle manufacturer as he made connections with the communist party.” Might just be my personal preference though.
• ”Her mother Amalija worked as a patternmaker at the children's clothing manufacturer Jutranjka in Sevnica.” Add Amalija‘s last name.
• ”At the time, she had wanted to be a fashion designer rather than a model.” Remove had.

Referencing

• I have done a spotcheck on 3 sources [3], [150], and [175]. Just a minor concern is reference 2, from the “Dolenjski list”, a reliable source?

Final comments

• No more concerns. Address the above comments and I’ll be happy to pass the article! :)  750h+ | Talk  02:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
  • 750h+ I appreciate your taking the time to look over the article. However, I disagree that most of these are issues. This review only covers the first few paragraphs, and it does not address the GA criteria. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

    I couldn’t find many issues. I can do a double scan if you want..  750h+ | Talk  00:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

750h+ Given the scope and contentious nature of this article, it would probably be better if it were looked at by someone with a lot of experience nominating and reviewing at GAN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, a second opinion has been added.  750h+ | Talk  00:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

General comments

I am new to this process. A few notes:

• There is and she began adjusting to a more lavish lifestyle. [...] After encouraging Donald to run for president in the 2016 presidential election in the lead and Melania was the one who finally convinced Donald to campaign for president in the 2016 presidential election, telling him that he either needed to do it or stop talking about it. in the body. -- By my reading (of the surrounding content as well) this second statement could be interpreted in a more negative way, and probably wasn't "encouragement".
• There are "story elements" in the article like:
  • The campaign longed to get Melania more active, as she was in a unique position to humanize Donald and to appeal to the American Dream from an immigrant's perspective.
  • Melania Trump was involved in the vice presidential selection process, meeting with the top contenders, and her approval of Mike Pence contributed to his selection. The deciding factor, in her mind, was that Pence was not as ambitious as the other contenders and would not seek to undermine Donald. (This one seems to be overstating things—not that I am at all sure.)
  • No one in the Trump campaign had previewed the speech, when political campaigns typically have several people scrutinize such a speech. (This probably should be attached to a name, and cannot be said in Wikipedia's voice (because the nature of the info is unreliable)) ... It also contradicts mildly with the following was a misunderstanding.
  • An anonymous person who was with Donald when the news broke reported that "red was coming up his neck to his ears". An anonymous person should not be quoted.
  • angry that he may have ended his candidacy with his comments this is spin (implying support, where it cannot be stated as fact)
  • Those around Melania noticed that she was generally happier by mid-2018. By this time, she had reached a more advantageous marital agreement that ensured Barron would be given a fair inheritance. This sentence implies things that should be either an attributed accusation or struck out as BLP violations.
  • and he valued her loyalty as she did not seek public attention of her own another implication here that I am not sure about, attribution to Jordan seems due
  • For her final months in the White House, she stopped visiting her office in the East Wing, instead staying in the White House residence dressed in terrycloth bathrobes. huh?
  • Also, her not being involved in the 2024 election is a single sentence, when her involvement in the 2016 election was covered quite extensively. The subject is probably terribly political, but a single sentence and no mention of there being *whatever it can be described as neutrally* seems too short.

Anyway, not a review, as I don't feel I can judge the topic with enough authority. ~ JackTheSecond (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Views on Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories

Can a new section be added about her birther views. 88.97.108.45 (talk) 17:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to the Obama-related hoax? We would need reliable sources saying that she believes it. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Having read the sources used in this article, this isn't something that's given meaningful coverage in biographies about her. Even if it's verifiable, it would likely be a minor aspect that's more appropriate for Donald's article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit requires

This sentence in the opening section erroneously names Trump, when it presumably meant Melania:

Trump grew up in Slovenia (then part of Yugoslavia) and worked as a fashion model through agencies in the European fashion capitals of Milan and Paris, before moving to New York City in 1996. 2603:8000:3F01:90CD:1A1:427F:456E:F6A2 (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Trump, as in Melania's last name. Who else? Dimadick (talk) 14:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

The article is very poorly written. Her main claim to fame is her being the wife of DJT. Using her last married name to identify her in the same article as using it for him is really poor writing.98.21.68.176 (talk) 02:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Pussy

I wonder what the editors were thinking when they claimed "pussy" means vagina?? ("grab them by the pussy - with pussy being slang for vagina") Only the anatomically clueless could believe that grabbing a woman "by her vagina" wouldn't result in serious injury. A quick search online shows the term is slang for (among other things) vulva or vagina and the editors made a pretty egregious blunder. Or perhaps their references did? I didn't track them down, because it is obviously wrong. I don't agree that anatomically pussy only refers to vulva or vagina. I've heard it used to refer to the female groin, crotch, and even pubic mound - as well as the vulva and vagina. I'd politely suggest if an editor doesn't know which part can be "grabbed" then HE (obviously a he) should refrain from editing that section. I do think that it's possible that Trump meant "grope" and used the more neutral term, grab, for that. What he meant exactly can't be known based on the tape. Certainly, it was intended to demean these women and it seems clear he was implying such an assault wouldn't be objected to.98.21.68.176 (talk) 02:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

NPOV problems

The intro of this article is written like a tabloid. "Her stepdaughter Ivanka Trump fulfilled some of the first lady's traditional duties, causing a rivalry between the two". Did either of them say this or is it just speculation? "She was a close advisor to her husband, the only person from whom he accepted frank advice, and he frequently asked her opinion". Again, how do you know that he never accepted "frank" advice from anyone else? This really needs to be fixed (I cannot edit because it is semi-protected) 151.124.107.86 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Final paragraph in intro

It seems to have zero sources or citations - some of these things I'd never heard before. Why is it there? 2601:14D:8B00:6000:E43B:A2CA:788C:70BB (talk) 00:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Most articles actively aim to have zero references in the intro. It's supposed to be a summary of the rest of the article where references are provided. See MOS:LEADCITE. I'm not asserting that's always the case, or the case here, but you should revisit your question with this in mind. If you subsequently find some fault, then being specific helps. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Policy to remove children from parents who are crossing illegally into the U.S

To claim that the "child separation policy" was Trump's is misleading and false. In fact, it was the policy during the Obama administration. It was President Trump who did away with that policy. Briceand4 (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Sources? EvergreenFir (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Look into ATEP which Obama drastically increased in 2011. It's purpose was not to separate children from parents, just as Trump's policies were not meant to separate children, but when you prosecute adults coming over the border illegally that can be the result. With the huge increase in child trafficking over the border during the Biden administration, children should be separated and questioned to make sure the person they're with is family. Briceand4 (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, claims need to be supported by reliable sources—especially for contentious topics about living people, such as this. You would need to find publications from reputable authors and publishers that explicitly confirm the fact that you want to add. Right now, all of the facts in the article are supported by reliable sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Melania Trump/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 22:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Edwininlondon (talk · contribs) 09:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to review this. I will do it piecemeal. And if you don't mind, I might make the odd minor edit straight away, should I encounter one. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Thebiguglyalien, sorry for the delay, but I have finished.

I do not believe this article meets the criteria yet. Main issues:

• too many claims that seem to violate the WP:BLP. See which ones particularly in my comments below, tagged with BLP.
• confusing ways to refer to Melania. Sometimes it is Trump (e.g., The case was decided in Trump's favor, and the amount to be paid to her), sometimes Melania Trump, mostly Melania. And then there are cases when Trump refers to Donald, even after wedding (e.g., "According to Trump, their passive relationship suited him"). I agree it is difficult. I propose the following:

• In the lead, the name use is fine up until marriage to Donald. First, the name change to Melania Trump should be made more obvious, either by explicit statement or how it is in body ("The Trumps"). Second, for the rest of the lead, just use Melania
• In the body text, from marrying Donald onwards, like FAC Edith Roosevelt does, use first name consistently, do not switch.
• Captions: use Melania Trump consistently from marriage onwards
• From marriage onwards, never use Trump to refer to Donald, use Donald (cf. Theodore in FAC Edith Roosevelt)

• One case of unsourced material: Her father denied paternity of the boy, even after it was confirmed by a paternity test.

I'm happy to work with you to see if we can get this to pass, instead of me failing it directly now. I would like to get access to sources though, which I believe you can arrange, right?

I've reworked the names to address the MOS:SAMESURNAME issue, using the same format that I used in Edith Roosevelt's article (which I've come to believe is the least confusing way to do it). I figured out which citation got dropped and added it to the uncited sentence. I've also sent you an email with the way to request access to the sources (I don't think Wikipedia wants people to post forms and the like directly). I'll get to the comments below shortly. And thank you for the extra detail, this article is one of the main ones I'm looking at for FAC. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments (not all needed for GA, but given your First Ladies FA project, I just commented on anything, so feel free to ignore):

• in the lead, is there a reason why second instance of fashion model is linked and not the first?
  • In short, because this is a high traffic article and things get moved around a lot in the lead. It's a risk I knew going in. Fixed.
• she traveled to Milan and Paris to seek modeling work until --> because of the until, I read this as something that happened multiple times. Is that so? Or should it read "stayed"?
  • changed "until" to "before"
• They began dating, and she began a --> repetition
  • Changes to "Melania and Donald began dating shortly afterward"
• a more lavish lifestyle --> where in the body text does this come from? and even: do we really need this in the lead?
  • Fixed per above.
• she responded to the Access Hollywood tape --> how?
  • Switched to "defended". It's a little reductive, but it's accurate to the public side of things.
• causing a rivalry between the two --> do we need this in the lead? BLP. Perhaps we first resolve the rivalry issue in the body of text and then come back here.
  • Probably not important enough for the lead either way. Removed.
• 2018 saw several --> In 2018, she ... as per MOS:NUMNOTES
  • Rearranged
• what about the Siena College Research Institute survey? Did you leave that out of lead on purpose or should it get a mention in the lead?
  • I don't remember my thought process at this point, but I'd be inclined to leave it out of the lead. It's only one poll, and it's recent.
• As a child, Knavs and other children --> As a child, Knavs, like other children
  • Fixed.
• At the age of fifteen, Knavs moved to Ljubljana to attend the Secondary School for Design and Photography, attending the school until her graduation at nineteen.[19] She made the long commute from her hometown to the capital and back each day by train. --> so did she move or commute?
  • Looks like moving was mentioned twice, before and after. I rearranged it so it's all chronological now.
• who was on a scouting trip in Europe --> makes it look like this is about Donald Trump. Some rejigging perhaps? Perhaps Knauss modeled for fashion houses in Paris and Milan, where in 1995 she met Metropolitan Models co-owner Paolo Zampolli, who was on a scouting trip in Europe.[13] He was a friend of her future husband Donald Trump. Zampolli became one of the few people who were involved in Knauss's life for a long time.
  • Fixed.
• Once she arrived in the United States --> Once she resided in the United States
  • Fixed.
• first major gig --> gig does not strike me as WP tone of voice. I may be wrong of course
  • I believe it's considered a technical term in this sort of field, but I kind of agree. I replaced it with "job".
• others in the industry have said rumors --> do we want to say this? Is this a place for rumors? BLP
  • When their relationship began (and whether they're honest about it) is a subject of dispute. I agree this should change from how it's currently written, but I'm not sure in what direction right now.
    • How about something like this Mary Jordan wrote in her biography of Melania that ...
      • Done.
• at the time he had a reputation --> do we have reliable sources for this? Looks like quite a contentious statement, so we should be careful according to BLP
  • I don't know if I'd consider it contentious, but it's not terribly relevant anyway. Removed.
• in the January edition of GQ magazine --> add the year
  • Done.
• Knauss was more compatible with Trump than his previous wives, as she did not have the ambition of his first wife and did not cause public drama like his second wife --> that is quite a matter of fact statement. Better if it can be attributed to someone, or else drop it altogether. See BLP
  • Removed. I think there's some room for why he was interested in Melania's type specifically, but it's hard to put it in an "objective" way.
• Preston Bailey --> is this person notable enough to warrant a page?
  • Unlinked, can always be relinked later if necessary.
• she did not know about the women --> BLP: are we sure to state this as a fact? Better would be "she has said she did not know"
  • The source's exact text is Until the 2016 campaign was underway, Melania did not realize the extent of his philandering, according to three people close to the couple. Thoughts?
    • I would attribute it to Jordan again
      • Done.
• Besides her American citizenship, both she and her son maintain dual citizenship in Slovenia --> Both she and her son maintain dual citizenship, both in the United States and Slovenia
  • Fixed (also switched the pronouns to their names)
• less expensive jewelry --> less than what?
  • "low cost" or "cheap" would be more accurate, but both of those feel like they have a negative connotation. Affordable would also work, but that sounds promotional.
• introduced a line of caviar-infused --> could there be an alternative to introduce, as to distinguish it from the word launch in the next line? Maybe "announced"?
  • Went with "developed", if you think that works? Could also used "planned" or something similar
• Melania eventually ended the production of her jewelry brand. --> when?
  • The source just says that it no longer existed when the 2016 campaign was ongoing. I've removed it for now, since it doesn't really add anything.
• She did not get along as well with Pence's wife, Karen Pence, with whom she had little in common --> can we attribute this to someone? BLP
  • Anonymous source, removed.
• More scandalous nude images --> just stick to facts: More nude images
  • Fixed.
• An anonymous person who was with Donald when the news broke reported that "red was coming up his neck to his ears". --> BLP I don't think we should be quoting an anonymous person
  • Aww man, I really liked the vivid illustration this added. But I agree. Removed.
• The inauguration of Donald Trump took place on January 20, 2017.[153] After her husband was elected president, she announced that she would not move to Washington, D.C. with him --> After the inauguration of Donald as president on January 20, 2017, Melania announced that she would not move to Washington, D.C. with him
  • Reworded.
• She was also the first Catholic to live in the White House since President John F. Kennedy and his wife Jacqueline and was the second Catholic first lady of the United States --> I would just simply say She was also the second Catholic first lady of the United States to live in the White House, after Jacqueline Kennedy.
  • Changed.
• The first lady's absence caused --> Melania's absence from the White House caused
  • Changed.
• This was part of a larger rivalry that developed between the two as they both engaged in activity typically in the first lady's purview. --> BLP. Quite the statement, I suggest we drop it or else we back it up with a few more, independent sources.
  • Removed.
• After Ivanka organized a screening of Finding Dory in the White House, Melania required that they needed permission before entering the residential area of the building --> I don't have access to the source, so I can't tell, but is this the extent of the rivalry? Or is there more?
  • Removed. Even without considering that it's only relevant in the context of the rivalry bit, it's not that big of a detail either way.
• the administration's staff grew unhappy --> BLP. I don't have access to this source but that is quite a sweeping statement, including all of the staff
  • Changed it to "members of the administration's staff" and named Stephanie Winston Wolkoff per the Washington Post source. The Jordan source says "a few of Trump's pals" and mentions Tom Barrack by name but says he "was overheard" so I didn't add him to the article.
• among the people in New York --> BLP again, too sweeping I think
  • Would it be better if I said "among many of the people in New York", or does that cross the threshold into WP:WEASEL? The sources broadly describe the frustrations of New Yorkers.
    • Many of the people is better, yes
      • Done.
• Reid had been unpopular with the staff--> BLP. all of them?
  • The source says "she had heard enough stories to understand that the chief usher was not well liked or well respected by the staff" and "the move actually made her popular inside the White House". Should I qualify it with "broadly unpopular" or something similar?
    • Yes, I like that
      • Done.
• her usual stoic demeanor --> BLP. do we need this? If so, multiple sources required
  • Is this the whole sentence or just that she has a "stoic demeanor"? For reference, the source says "she almost always lights up around kids. It's one of the few times she lets her guard down, when that Slovenian stoicism melts away" and "Melania genuinely enjoys spending time around children. Her whole demeanor changes". It's also currently attributed in the article.
    • I was mistaken, we have attribution. Keep it.
• when her husband was well known for attacking people online --> BLP. again, can we back this up firmly?
  • I don't think it will be an issue verifying this further if needed, but for now I've brought up the Bennett source to join the Jordan source.
• The first lady's office responded that spouses such as her and Donald communicate differently --> there is something confusing here but I can't put my finger on it
  • Replaced with "spouses can have different communication styles"
• Her chief of staff Lindsay Reynolds was removed, with her responsibilities going to Melania's --> bit jarring with two "her"s refering to different people and a Melania thrown in as well
  • Switched the first "her" to "Melania's"
• Much of what she posted directly contradicted what her husband posted, as he discouraged many of the recommended practices.[257] --> BLP. I'd like a few more sources here to back up the "Much" and the "many"
  • Added a Washington Post source.
• against Wolkoff --> should that not be Winston Wolkoff, like in previous sentence?
  • Yes, fixed.
• Despite Donald Trump's loss of the 2020 election --> perhaps for good measure add this source:
  • Added.
• dressed in terrycloth bathrobes --> sounds a bit like unnecessary detail
  • Removed.
• overseen through her tenure.[193] Melania was overseeing --> oversee repetition
  • Changed "overseeing" to "managing"
• reluctant companion to her husband or as a woman who has no independence of her own --> BLP more sources please
  • This is followed up by the next sentence with more sources, I combined them all into one grouping.
• rumors that she had a secret animosity toward her husband --> BLP can we be specific at least which credible sources, multiple, were publishing these rumors?
  • This isn't about "credible" rumors, it was her public image and the #FreeMelania phenomenon.
• as she took a more active role in the administration --> if this is true, then examples of that should be in the earlier sections
  • Reworded to emphasize image rather than activity.
• She is often seen as cold --> BLP multiple sources please
  • There are two sources confirming that this is how the public often sees her.
• Since the only previous foreign-born first lady had an American father, --> The use of "Since" here suggests some robust research into the public's reasoning. Did that really take place?
  • Restructured, though I'm not fully confident in the new wording.
• Her approval rating stood at 36–37% --> this looks like it is saying around 36 or 37%, which does not look like a negative number to me. So I'm confused.
  • That's a dash. To avoid any ambiguity, I've replaced it with "or".
    • I'm sorry I did not make myself clear: The previous sentence says she had a negative approval rating. This then turns out to be 36% or 37%, which is not a negative number. So now I am being forced to speculate: I guess 64 or 63% did not approve of her. Although normally there is a big chunk of people who say: don't care or don't know. This ABC News article does not use the term negative approval rating but instead uses weak
      • Okay, now I see. I've reworded to "Melania became the only candidate's spouse since polling began in 1988 to have a disapproval rating greater than their approval rating", though of course I'm open to other wordings if that still isn't clear. I thought maybe "net approval rating", but that might still cause the same confusion.

I'll look in detail at the sources at the end of the process. Glancing at them, they look good. Edwininlondon (talk) 12:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Edwininlondon, thanks again for looking over the article! I've replied to each point above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thebiguglyalien, my responses to the open issues are nested above. I shall shortly embark on sources. The images are fine. Edwininlondon (talk) 16:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Edwininlondon, I've addressed the remaining issues. Let me know if you have trouble accessing the sources or need excerpts for anything, but no rush! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

OK, all fine. JUst the last few bits relating to sources:

• Many sources are Title Case, but many others are sentence case. Consistency needed as per WP:CITESTYLE
• 10: this is the only book citation using {{cite book|. Others use {{sfn. Needs to be consistent
• 285 seems to link to another article
• Looking at the PDF for 286, I'd say the title is simply Siena College First Ladies Poll
• Spotcheck: #8a 8d 8j 8m 10 169 219a 219b 219c 219d 219e are all fine

That's it then. Looking good otherwise. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Edwininlondon, I definitely should have caught the mistaken link. The rest of these are normally things I wouldn't worry about until FAC, but since there's a good chance that I'll nominate it there in the future, I got them all taken care of. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

All fine. Promoting to GA now. Nice work and good luck at FAC. Edwininlondon (talk) 06:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

References

The Melania Trump page is one sweet hit job -- well done! You've surely succeeded in exemplifying Trump's 'fake news' attribution to the n'th degree, given your abundance of subjectivity and dearth of veracity (juxtapose with your Michelle Obama entry).

Ergo, the changes made resultant from the dialogue on this page are akin to the polishing of a turd, apropos, at least, for such a p.o.s. venture as this. 2600:1700:55D0:2A00:D06D:EFD8:9ACC:63D6 (talk) 23:03, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Reference 286

Reference 286, where Melania is rated at the bottom of first ladies based on surveys, is a difficult-to-understand spreadsheet full of misspellings and unexplained scoring. Is there a better source? Dragon pu (talk) 04:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)