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A fact from Mike Enoch appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 June 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that white nationalist Mike Enoch helped Richard Spencer successfully sue Auburn University after it attempted to cancel their speaking engagement?

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Birth date

Peinovich was born February 7, 1977. Several similar records are available at Ancestry.com. In July 2000 he was charged with drug possession and driving with a suspended license in NJ. See article in Daily Record (Morristown, New Jersey) 12 Jul 2000, page 16 by Rob Seman. --79.152.227.97 (talk) 10:27, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sven

This page has already violated 3RR by a mile. I'll repeat what I said on one of the IP's talk pages (there have been several IPv6 addresses contributing recently): I think the problem others have with your "Sven, not so much" additions is not that they are necessarily untrue, but that they are stylistically inappropriate and out of context. As one editor said, Wikipedia is not a place for in-jokes, or for the ironic style you adopt.

If indeed there is a co-host called Sven, and he has no last name, explain that. If "Sven, not so much" is a catch-phrase, explain that. If the Sven character is less outspoken than Enoch, say so in explicit terms. If you're expressing a personal opinion, then it has no place. The rest of the editors have no idea which of these (or any other possibility) applies, and neither do general readers.

And, of course, since we are talking about living people, it really needs extra care and a citation in footnotes: see WP:BLP. David Brooks (talk) 22:18, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Having done the research to write this article, I think I can explain what's going on. Sven is an alternate name for co-host Seventh Son, who is mentioned in the article. Things like "Mike Enoch changed my life. Sven, not so much" are a meme that's turned into a running gag on the last several episodes.

I can appreciate why they're doing it, and I appreciate humor and levity in Wikipedia. Unfortunately, there's no way to include this meme in the article while still maintaining a professional tone. At least, not that I can see right now. A short semi might be the best option at this point. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 05:06, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It occurs to me that your second and third sentences would fit perfectly well in the article :-). In fact, that was part of my guess. But the wikilink for Seventh Son is not particularly helpful. David Brooks (talk) 12:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's because he hasn't received nearly as much coverage in the mainstream press. I could probably write a stub on him, but given how these articles tend to be a BLP magnet, I'm not going to do that right now without an increase in the available sourcing. And I don't think the existence of the "not so much" meme has gotten any coverage at this point. Then again, I'm probably stricter on BLP sourcing than most would be. I'll do another check to see if it maybe got a mention in mainstream media somewhere to the point it could be included, but I doubt it. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 13:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Simply delinking would work for me. BTW, I don't have any interest in the topic (far from it) but I came across the first in the series of edits in WP:RCP and was doing due diligence. David Brooks (talk) 13:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, the only people who get the humor are people who are unlikely to be visiting Wikipedia to find out who Mike Enoch is. The people who are just end up confused. That's why it doesn't work.Rosicrucian ^Talk 02:27, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Quotemining the New Yorker article

I notice that the New Yorker article is very important for this article. I figured I'd WP:MINE the source for additional content:

- A collection of "white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and Confederate apologists" announced a rally in Charlottesville, VA in the during the summer of 2017

- Afterwards, flyers appeared on the internet

- Names included Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler, Matthew Heimbach, Christopher Cantwell, and Mike Enoch (note: short descriptions of each might be useful on other articles)

- Enoch was listed right below Spencer

- Enoch tweeted "Hate him or love him--Mike Enoch is someone to play close attention to" in May 2017.

- around 2014, Enoch used noted of Spencer that he "talks like a fag", of Cantwell that he was "a dickhead turtle," and Enoch criticized their ideologies as too extreme

- at time of article publication, Enoch had radicalized further, calling African-Americans "animals" and "savages" as well as expressing "skepticism" about the number of deaths in the Holocaust

- he usually avoid media attention

- He works on his own podcast, "The Daily Shoah"

- As of article publication, "The Daily Shoah" was the most popular podcast on the Right Stuff network

- Enoch founded the Right Stuff in 2012

- the Right Stuff used to be a "post-libertarian" political blog

- now the blog is super-duper racist (among the worst on the internet)

- one page on the blog accepts donations in dollars or bitcoin

- one page is for media, including "fashy memes," songs, and other things

- iTunes, Spotify, and other major platforms do not carry the podcasts

- nonetheless, they get tens of thousands of listens a week between the dozen-odd podcasts

- the August 12 Charlottesville rally was shut down by the police after immediate violence

- the speakers reconvened nearby

- enough was there in the uniform of white polo and khakis

- Enoch's dad lives in an upper-middle-class New Jersey suburb

- this suburb is one of the most progressive towns in the US

- most Right Stuff people use pseudonyms

- "Mike Enoch" is a pseudonym

- he has dropped occasional personal details on the show: he lives in NYC, he has a wife, he works a "normie" day job, he attended church camp and public school as a child, and most of his family is "shitlibs" (regular liberals)

- he was doxxed by antifascists in January 2017

- Enoch was (in 2017) a 39-year-old

- you worked as a computer programmer at an e-publishing company

- Enoch lived in the Upper East Side

- he lost his job in the fallout

- In his neighborhood, someone printed out photos of Enoch and pasted them around to "out" him as a fascist

- the dox revealed his older sister, and the fact that she works as a social worker who treats traumatized children

- the dox revealed that he has a biracial, cognitively impaired adoptive younger brother

- the dox revealed that Enoch's wife was Jewish

- initially Enoch denied that he was Peinovich

- soon, however, Enoch admitted it

- the response from the white-nationalist message boards was split, with some accusing Enoch of being "controlled opposition" and others defending or ignoring

- days after the dox, Enoch and the other hosts read fan letters of support on the podcast

- Enoch's wife went live with her mother in the Midwest after the dox

- the article author emailed Enoch with the email address leaked in the dox. Enoch responded immediately

- an email exchange followed, with Enoch not providing much response

- Enoch later read the email exchange aloud on "The Daily Shoah"

- Enoch felt he 'won' the exchange

... Partially finished. Start from "Then I heard back from..."

Jlevi (talk) 18:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Disowned

Hey Doug Weller. It surprises me that the word 'disowned' doesn't appear in the New Yorker piece at all, but the piece as a whole is in large part a meditation on personal relationships; it concludes with the breakdown of a nuclear family. Perhaps another word would be more appropriate, but here are a few sections that I think illustrate that this breakdown is a significant part of the conclusion of this piece:

"Before he left, Mike, Sr., made one request: that Mike E. legally change his last name to Enoch, or Paine, or anything, really, other than Peinovich. Mike E. agreed."
" Billie [Enoch's mother] said, 'All I keep thinking is that, if we were Jewish, we’d be sitting shiva right now.'"
The final paragraph

It might be that 'disowned' is the wrong term for this family dynamic. Jlevi (talk) 12:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replace image

The current picture is just awful quality, it looks like it was taken during a video call. If possible, it should be replaced with a better one. Vixtani (talk) 17:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. HiddenValleyRanch (talk) 03:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]