Talk:Moses (Michelangelo)

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St. Jerome[edit]

please fix the St Jerome link it only contains Jerome and not St. Jerome 190.152.52.204 (talk) 20:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Horns[edit]

Do you have anything on the reason Michelangelo put horns on Moses?

Yes, an entire section. 217.132.52.23 (talk) 09:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew[edit]

I removed this from the main article:

Now, could anyone help this poor bloke?—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 11:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The root QRN occurs three times in Exodus 34 (the story of Moses's descent), and many more times in the rest of the old testament. It's used to mean value (ירם קרן משיחו), horn (קרן השמן), and posterity (נגדעה קרן מואב; להרים קרן). It's not unusual for the same root to have different meanings depending on context and pronunciation. Citations from linguistic papers won't hurt. I'll see what I can find. 217.132.52.23 (talk) 09:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Freud as neurologist[edit]

The article appears to be protected and as such can't be changed by me, but Freud is listed as a "neurologist." Wouldn't psycho-analyst be the appropriate link here? I don't think that Freud has much in common with the current concept of a neurologist (as opposed to an analyst or even a psychiatrist), and whatever the historical case may have been, I think that the distinction in our times is clear enough that calling him a neurologist could be confusing. 88.75.57.18 (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

There was no "misinterpretation" ever[edit]

"it depicts the Biblical figure Moses with horns on his head, based on a description in the Vulgate, the Latin translation of the Bible used at that time."

Occult theological religious nonsense.

"Horns" of "Moses" meant horns of Seth.

If you have a reliable source, as per WP:RS, please provide it. Jytdog (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes if you understand "Egyptian" Mystery school... then you'll understand why Osiris is Seth (

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/manetho_hyksos.htm

Michelangelo knew his stuff, so do I - regards to the "horns" of "Moses"(this term derives indirectly from Egyptian term for "Mes" or "Mses")...

Again, if you have reliable sources showing that Michelangelo intended to represent something about Seth, please bring them. You are of course entitled to believe whatever you wish, but if you want to introduce content to Wikipedia it must be supported by reliable sources as per WP:RS. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Again if you would have any logic then you would already know that I gave you the "reliable" source in my post. You don't need to be a brilliant "scholar" to figure out what I was talking about. In fact i revealed you the "secret"(served on a platter) and an antique source which is rather ignored than accepted. (Flavius quoting Manetho).

Here I will draw it down to you:

"According to the ancient mythology, Avaris was Typho's [10] city. But when these men had entered it, and found it suitable for a revolt, they chose a ruler from among the priests of Heliopolis, whose name was Osarsiph [9]. They swore an oath that they would obey him in all things. The first laws he gave them were that they should not worship the Egyptian gods, nor should they abstain from any of the sacred animals that the Egyptians held in the highest esteem, but could kill them, and that they should not ally themselves to any but those that were of their conspiracy. "

[10] Typho: Set [9] Moses: It was also reported that the priest, who ordained their polity and their laws, was by birth of Heliopolis, and his name Osarsiph, from Osyris, who was the god of Heliopolis; but that when he was gone over to these people, his name was changed, and he was called Moses."

Here should i add that OSARSIPH was only a GREEK (Flavius) transliteration of EGYPTIAN TITULAR NAME (just like "Moses"). The correct Egyptian (Coptic) term was ASARSEB or AusarGeb or AsaruDjeb. Where Asar = Osiris and Geb his "step father". This Geb became later Christian figure (term) played later important role in "Jesus's family" (JoSeph).

Horns of Moses means Horns of Seth (Typho). Osiris was a brother of Seth (and consequently part of his Duat). Moses (which was not his real name) was a Hykso priest of Osiris who wanted to collect all Egyptian deities under 1 "roof" (and forbade old Egyptian customs, tradition, gods) called "mono god" (Osiris). Egypt was at the time of Hyksos in chaos and several Egyptian pharaohs were at war against each other. Several were even joining Hyksos from Kush in a war against Egyptians themselves. Pharaoh (the heretic) Akhenaton revived Moses's reforms and proclaimed himself as an "image of god Aton". He also wrote the legendary Hymn to Aton, which later became part of Biblical "Psalm 104". Hymn to Adonai (Aton). Seth is Osiris's brother or Osiris's spirit itself. If we have monotheism (collection, fusion of different Egyptian gods into 1 deity) then is the question about Seth as Osiris not even important any more.

Thanks for writing here, but you don't seem to understand how Wikipedia works. If you want there to be content in the article, stating that Michelangelo was intentionally representing Moses as Seth via the horns, then you need to bring a reliable source (as defined by Wikipedia here WP:RS), that actually says that. As it stands, you are presenting original research (see WP:OR) which is not allowed in Wikipedia. Jytdog (talk) 12:48, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Flavius quoting Manetho is a SOURCE of information about the real Moses and is not even mentioned anywhere...Do you really think that the writers of Bible did not have any clues about Egyptian customs, religion (Osiris)? And consequently about "Moses"? (and his "Horns")?

Wow that was a big flurry. None of the sources you cite says anything about what Michelangelo intended when he carved Moses.Jytdog (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

"Horns" section[edit]

This is really misplaced. I was certain Wikipedia would have a Horns of Moses article. The topic has nothing to do with Michelangelo, it's an iconographic tradition emerging in the high medieval period. So I would suggest a section split, creating a dedicated page on the topic. --dab (𒁳) 20:34, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

This article is about this statue; the horns were an oft-commented aspect of this statue. So it belongs here. I agree that Horns of Moses would be an interesting article. Jytdog (talk) 21:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
It is certainly much-commented upon in the context of this statue, and of course the feature has to be mentioned inasmuch as it pertains to this particular statue. I am just saying the discussion of Jerome and the motif's historical origin is not within the scope of this page. The obvious solution will of course be to use a wikilink to Horn of Moses in the context of the discussion of this statue once we do have such a dedicated article :) --dab (𒁳) 08:17, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
No objection at all to having that article and just using its lead here. i betcha that could be de-orphaned in no time, even besides this article. Jytdog (talk) 08:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)