Talk:Muhammad in Islam

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Congrats[edit]

Congrats to Aminz for putting in the hard work getting this article started and to Zora for the idea. —Aiden 04:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Aiden, :) --Aminz 06:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


Lack of Content[edit]

Why is this page so short? This doesn't even contain a discourse of Ali's views of Muhammad! --IHusain 16:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a new article. Please add the sourced content you speak of. —Aiden 20:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

There is no reason to have an article named Islamic view of Muhammad and another named Islamic views of Muhammad. No objection has been raised on talk, so I will be merging. --BostonMA talk 14:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, was the merge done properly? Is all the information preserved? --Striver 09:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
All the information is preserved. However, I'm not sure if that means that I performed the merge properly. --BostonMA talk 12:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
That was my question. Thanks. Can we rename the article to "view", it sounds better. Im going forth and mirroring the merge in the Muhammad template. --Striver 13:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the word "view" should not be included, as it is not only our views, rather well-documented history. −AsceticRosé 15:46, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Shahnawaz Ali[edit]

I am no sufi, I am a lay man with only the basic knowledge of Islam. It is my belief that Muhammad(pbuh) was a man and has passed away. The proof that i present is a quote from none other than Abu Bakr(may Allah be pleased with him) after the Prophet(pbuh) had passed away he addressed the grieving Muslims by saying that those who worship Muhammad should know that Muhammad is dead, but tell those who worship Allah that Allah shall never die.

I removed this from the article - please see WP:NOT#OR for an explanation. Can you find a citation for this? --87.112.78.48 23:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Visual Representation[edit]

Muhammad is never depicted visually by any Muslim. Because this considered as un-islamic action. <<Smart_Viral 16:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)>>

Depictions of Muhammad proves otherwise. TharkunColl 16:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
this action is non-islamic in other words no Muslim can do under the rules of islam => not considered to be Muslim.what is ur definition of Muslim someone who follow Muhammad or someone he said "i'am muslim"! <<Smart_Viral 17:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)>>
It is not up to you, or Wikipedia, to decide who is and isn't a "true" Muslim. TharkunColl 17:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
yes its called "Islamic views of Muhammad" not u. Its a fact that Islam forbid this. Return to Depictions of Muhammad. <<Smart_Viral 17:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)>>
It is a fact that some Muslims throughout history have depicted Muhammad. The article Depictions of Muhammad proves it. What you're trying to do is impose religious dogma on Wikipedia, which is unacceptable. TharkunColl 17:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
anyway not "quite often". <<Smart_Viral 18:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)>>

Depiction ofLiving things in any form is forbidden in Islam and it is rystal Clear .What ever one ortwo muslims do we don't subsribe them.Shabiha 19:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabiha (talkcontribs)

Why are earth is this here? There are no images on this article. Zazaban (talk) 05:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Some people bother so much about Depictions of Muhammad which is not good from Islamic perspective. Which one is more important to a Muslim? His depictions? Or his great ideal that he left behind? Surely the latter one. Yes, some Muslims throughout history have depicted Muhammad. Surely they are wrong. All the Islamic scholars are unanimous on the point that depictions of Muhammad are prohibited in Islam. No depiction should be allowed on this article, because it is Muhammad in Islam, not in general. Any such violation must be reverted immediately. −AsceticRosé 12:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

That is blatant censorship and POV. For example, to the Shia, only sculpture is illegal, not drawings. The Persians and Ottomans depicted Muhammad, and in a reverent way. Who are you to say that they weren't Muslims? It helps the reader to see reverent images made by Muslims in honour of Muhammad. The views of the Amish and Puritans are not overriding pictures of Jesus are they? '''tAD''' (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Expand[edit]

Can you help expanding this article? Sunni view is lacking now. In addition, there are unsourced statements. It could be great if you can expand the page with adding beliefs in Islam related to the prophet. Kavas (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Since when do Sufis believe that the Prophet has the 'power of invisibility' and is still alive? That is not within the orthodox Sunni tradition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.236.94 (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Perspectives on Muhammad[edit]

Please see Category talk:Perspectives on Muhammad#Reverts by Doc Tropics. Al-Andalusi (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Overhaul[edit]

This article needs a major overhaul: it currently reads like a short excerpt from Muhammad's basic bio with numerous irrelevant facts about his personal life, but almost no useful content about his historical place within the religion that he founded. The first part of fixing this is easy - removing the crap that doesn't belong at all. The next stage will be harder; it will require finding and using RS to expand the necessary content. For this, the works of recognized scholars would be preferable to quotes from the Quran and hadith. Doc Tropics 16:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes this article needs a complete overhaul by experts on this topic. I like to invite those who have good referenced materials to do this. I also will try as far as possible. −AsceticRosé 12:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

HELP EXPAND THIS ARTICLE[edit]

This article lacks vital sections and information. Plz help expand this incomplete article. −AsceticRosétalk 10:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, your edits are good but I have a question, there is already a page Muhammad, what's the relationship of this page to that page? Kiatdd (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I did not get your point. Are you saying that this page has no relevancy? Or, what do mean by relationship? -−AsceticRosétalk 15:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
No,I did't mean that!, I am actually asking you that what this page is going to cover? is this page about the prophet as seen by muslims? or the role of prophet in islam? or another view? thanks. Kiatdd (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually you have raised an important issue. Apparently, my edits intend to describe the prophet as seen by Muslims, but I'm not quite sure how this page actually should be. I request you to present your suggestions about how this article should be. Additionally, the role of Prophet Muhammad in Islam is also important. That should also be included. In that case you and the others can put your comments about what items or information can be included here so that we can enrich this article accordingly. Someone else also should contribute to this important article. --AsceticRosé talk 01:29, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion proposal for two sections[edit]

The sections namely "Marriage" and "Death of Muhammad" do not seem to be relevant with the purpose of this article. The info on death will come when relevant sections will be created, no need for a separate section. If no one objects, I'll delete them after a few days. --AsceticRosé talk 17:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete, as they are irrelevant, I support their deletion! Faizan (talk) 09:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done! --AsceticRosé talk 08:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

section name changing[edit]

It would be better if the section name "Divine revelation" is changed into "Prophethood". That would be more clear, direct, and in line with the article's purpose. "Divine revelation" and "Muhammad’s early teachings" can be kept as sub-sections with relevant info. --AsceticRosé talk 03:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Support with Amendments, Well I think that the sub-sections of "3.2 Divine revelation, 3.3 Muhammad on preaching ,3.4 Muhammad’s early teachings ,3.5 Opposition and persecution, 3.6 Last years in Mecca ,3.7 Migration to Medina ,3.7.1 Medina at that time, 3.7.2 Hijra ,3.8 Muhammad in Medina , 3.8.1 Establishment of first Muslim state" should be under the section of "Prophethood" (Location:After the sub-section of "3.1.1 Social welfare"), and the sub-sections of "3.8.2 Persistent hostility of Quraysh, 3.8.3 Causes of and preparation for fighting, 3.8.4 The Battle of Badr" Should be moved to a new section of "Opposition"(Location:After Prophethood). I hope than the concerned sections would be perfect. Faizan (talk) 05:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Partially agree with Faizan. First of all, sections like 3.6 Last years in Mecca ,3.7 Migration to Medina ,3.7.1 Medina at that time, 3.7.2 Hijra ,3.8 Muhammad in Medina etc. may need to be cut out as far as possible due to the risk of content forking, hence they probably can't come under section "Prophethood". I'm completely agree with Faizan that sub-sections like "3.8.2 Persistent hostility of Quraysh, 3.8.3 Causes of and preparation for fighting, 3.8.4 The Battle of Badr" should be moved to a new section of "Opposition". --AsceticRosé talk 09:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Sure! As consensus has been reached by users participating in the discussion, the section of "Prophethood", be expanded and section of "Opposition" be created. Faizan (talk) 10:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg First one done! Second one awaiting. --AsceticRosé talk 13:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg fully done.

Early years: sub-section name proposal[edit]

In this article, the texts in section Early years should come under some headlines. I have the following proposal: "Orphanhood: a divine plan" for the second para; "God's protection" (combining the third para and the lower text of the first para), and "Early sign(s) of Prophethood" for the last para. (the sub-sections will come in sequence as has been mentioned). --AsceticRosé talk 09:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Support I agree! As per the aim of the Article, these corrections and amendments are necessary and undeclinable! Faizan (talk) 13:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
As consensus has been reached by the participants of this discussion, and no one has presented any alternative view, I'm going to create these headlines. --AsceticRosé 11:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, good work! Faizan (talk) 12:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Sunni view?[edit]

Some of article text is in my opinion Sunni view, since it cites Bukhari and other Sunni hadith books. But the part named "Sunni beliefs" is missing. The main text of the article, relying on Sunni hadith books, is decribed as "Muhammad in Islamic thought". I assume Shia accept most of those beliefs too, but through different hadith books. What about moving Sunni sources to Sunni beliefs section? Any ideas? Kavas (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The section "In Islamic thought" uses only one citation from Bukhari. Even if it used more from there , I don't see any problem. I don't agree with the idea that the section should be moved to Sunni beliefs section as that section is the main section of the article. It would be better if we don't go for Sunni-Shia distinction as their views on Prophet Muhammad (SW) are almost same.--AsceticRosé 05:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I think that this article is not about comparative sects in Islam. We should remove the section: "Views of different Madhhabs". Faizan 06:38, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I agree to remove this section.--AsceticRosé 10:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I counted Bukhari 4 times (not including different Bukhari references for the same information) in the whole text. Kavas (talk) 11:57, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
So what????? It can be cited more than that if necessary!--AsceticRosé 13:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
It can be cited more than that if necessary. But, I wonder what a Shia expert Wikipedia editor would reply to my above comment about Shia's view on Bukhari. Kavas (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Then we will have to wait for a Shia. This article is not about comparative sects' reverence about the Prophet Muhammad. Removing the sections for now. Waiting for the editor required. Faizan 15:24, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Prophet's Surname is Missing[edit]

It was Al-Qorashi القرشي after his tribe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.108.101.54 (talk) 08:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Prophet's name should be limited to his grandfather, whom he saw. He did not see his great grandfather.

Correction[edit]

' "al-Amin" (Arabic: الامين), meaning "the Faithful".[8][9] ' The correct meaning is "the Trustworthy". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilaila (talkcontribs) 14:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

vandalism[edit]

User:The Almightey Drill, you seem to be an experienced editor. It has appeared that you offended User:Kww by calling him as "Wahabbis". Please read Wikipedia:Civility. Moreover, I can report you due to your bad action, but I will not do it. Change your behaviour. --Lippolop (talk) 12:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)