Talk:Nursery Cryme

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A user is adding "Heavy Metal" as genre. I have never heard Genesis described them as such. It's happening on a few Genesis pages. I have asked them to take it to the talk page MrMarmite (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like either vandalism or someone clueless - even the most aggressive bits of "The Musical Box" have a folk element in the background, and "For Absent Friends" is about as Metal as Lemmy sitting down to have tea and scones at a vicarage party. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:39, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 12:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one, it's Peter Gabriel-era after all. FunkMonk (talk) 12:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Look, the Collins era is not that bad; if you started at Invisible Touch, you started at the synth-pop "if you like the 80s so much, why don't you go and live there?" .... but anyway

Am I the only one seeing a licence tag for the fair use image written in non-Latin letters?

No, it's not just you. Gosh, that was added by an IP over 10 years ago, and I've not seen it on any other FUR album covers. Anyway, gone. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Turns out it was Georgian... FunkMonk (talk) 11:54, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This[1] image could need a description template on Commons.

I've added one, though I could do with a native German speaker (wave to SoWhy) to double-check it. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(pinged) I'm no expert but looks good. I just added some templates and stuff. Good luck with your nom. Regards So Why 20:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"years after Nursery Cryme" Why not just give the date?

Done Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"bassist / guitarist" Should there really be a space?

I haven't a clue - it looks okay to me. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Some songs didn't" As always, contractions are discouraged...

Reworded Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Charisma didn't promote", "it wasn't as good", " it doesn't quite matter". Likewise.

I've reworded the first two, the third is a quotation Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a bit strange that the text about the cover is under "Recording", maybe rename then section "Recording and cover" or similar? Or maybe it would fit better under release?

I think the cover should go in a separate section - it makes more sense if the reader looks at what "The Musical Box" is about first. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Gabriel, having grown up in a Victorian manor house, incorporated themes of violence and sex into the song" Maybe more obvious to Brits, but what's the connection? Perhaps link to Victorian morality or some such?

I haven't clue (I don't think I wrote this bit), so I've trimmed it down Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The track was recorded with Gabriel and Collins singing the song as a duet." Their voices are similar, any word on how this affected their work together?

I've added a footnote Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"the first hermaphrodite" Link?

Done Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"and charted there again in March 1984" How come?

Virgin Records bought out Charisma and re-issued it. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"It has been one of Genesis' most popular bootlegs" But has it ever been released officially?

Not as far as I know. According to this Rolling Stone piece, Gabriel's pretty unhappy about it being spread over YouTube so I can't imagine he'd been particularly keen to issue it officially. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"move away from their earlier folk-oriented sound into progressive rock with a more aggressive direction, with substantially improved drumming." Only stated in intro.

The sentence "The group felt that Collins' was easily the best drummer they had worked with at that point, and his playing style and musical tastes gave a new dimension to their sound covers the drumming bit, the individual prose for the songs covers the "aggressive", for the rest I've reworded it. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Right, everything here looks good to me, so passed! FunkMonk (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good show - shame we couldn't stop Harold the Barrel cutting off all his toes and serving them for tea so he hasn't got a leg to stand on .... er, yes, good review as ever, cheers! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trespass release contradiction

This article states June 1970 with a source, but a different source is listed which claims October 1970 in its respective article. Which is it? dannymusiceditor ^oops 13:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was recorded in June 1970 (before Ant quit) and released in October 1970 (after Phil joined). Simples. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe I didn't notice that. dannymusiceditor ^oops 19:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Slamacis

@Martinevans123: Can you adjudicate on this edit? I went to get my vinyl copy of the album to check but it's disappeared :-( Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please read up on Salmacis and Hermaphroditus, or simply read or listen to the lyrics of the song, instead of reverting my correction of a blatant and obvious error. 71.216.250.182 (talk) 21:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I said above, I can't do that because my vinyl copy of Nursery Cryme that I've had for about 30 years has gone walkabouts. I don't have the DVD source in question (did LowSelfEstidle add it?) All I wanted was a source of information, in the words of Willard Duncan Vandiver - "I'm from Missouri. You've got to show me". Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can listen to The Fountain of Salmacis on youtube - the live version is epic. You can read the lyrics by searching Google for "The Fountain of Salmacis lyrics" You can read about Salmacis and Hermaphroditus in their wiki articles or many, many other sources. 71.216.250.182 (talk) 02:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]