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The depiction of the Oestrymmi as part of the Prehistory of what is now Portugal cannot avoid to have deep nationalistic overtones, since the Finisterrae is not in what it is now Portugal but in ancient Gallaecia, just above of what is now Portugal. This inclusion of this tribe as part of ancient Lusitannia seems ludricrous from a Geographic point of view.The Finisterrae cape, North West of Galicia and just in front of the British Isles as referred by Avienus has been called like that to this day. Anglo-saxon contributors should be aware that Portuguese scholars have not yet got rid of the nineteenth century view of historians as legitimizers of the national indentity. Wherenever Oestrymmi are from they can only be considered as inhabitants of both modern Galicia and Portuguese lands, and that being very generous of the use of the concept of finisterrae. Patrimonialisation of ancient feats by current political issues should be out of place.

There is no reason to think that they should be "the first native people of Atlantic western Iberia, from modern Galicia to the Algarve" of whom Rufus Avienus Festus could not be aware.

The following speculation is unwarranted: "This ancient narrative has led many authors to identify the Oestrimni as being among the original inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula, those who first made their way there coming from what is today Southern France in the 30th millennium BC, during the Paleolithic (a geneticaly homogenous population, caracterized by the M173 mutation in the Y chromosome, that developed the M343 mutation, giving rise to the R1b Haplogroup, still dominant in Western Europe)."

The following connection has been more soberly noted in the article: "The invasion of serpents recalled by Avienus is probably related to the Saephe or Ophis ("People of the Serpents") and the Dragani ("People of the Dragons") that came to that lands and formed what was known by the Greeks as Ophiussa, as it is stated also in Ora Maritima. This probably refers to the first wave of migrations into Iberia by the Urnfield culture (speakers of the Proto-Celtic language)." \

--Wetman 00:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--- "The depiction of the Oestrymmi as part of the Prehistory of what is now Portugal cannot avoid to have deep nationalistic overtones, since the Finisterrae is not in what it is now Portugal but in ancient Gallaecia, just above of what is now Portugal."

Ancient Gallaecia wasn't just above what is now Portugal but included what is now northern Portugal, plus TODAY'S Galicia, (part of?) Asturias, etc. and some maps show Gallaecia went even further south than northern Portugal. - anon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.85.72.155 (talk) 05:38, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Oestrymni Oestrimni Oestreminis[edit]

What dissonance is this? Source has Oestrymni and all over here we see Oestrimni? And even Oestremini? GuitarDudeness (talk) 20:30, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]