Talk:Peter Boykin

Objection to Request for Deletion and Removal of Tag

Note: Peter Boykin is very notable as the founder of Gays For Trump, as indicated on the page. He has been featured on multiple mainstream media sources, including Newsweek, Time Magazine, BBC, and a slew of various gay publications. As well as he is a politician who ran for political office. Although there may be some items that are self-published they tend to just add to the sources and his notability. One would assume that someone who has been featured in so many mainstream publications must be notable. Also, note the size of the contributions of sources indicates that this individual has a place on this page. I would suggest that instead of removing the article one would suggest what changes should be implemented. 7valentine7 (talk) 24:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Removing the Tag from the article, if you would like examples from other pages where a lot less information about individuals are supplied and they are still up I can provide. I would hate to say that due to the nature of the individual in question and his being controversial that in the same realm of Milo Yiannopoulos that many will attempt to shut down this article. I in good faith created this article with as much information as I could find on the subject. I have attempted to add information that has remained with fact and neutral to the matter. This person is notable, as many mainstream sources have covered him, and that he is a registered politician. All one has to do is a simple google search on this individual and the results are very high. Such is not for many people out there. This is why this person is of interest and is notable. I will remove the tag, as I object, I would have to claim that instead, this review history of the page has seen many individuals that did not have an issue with the article so this could be conceived as an attack on this article. 7valentine7 (talk) 24:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

7valentine7, You cannot "remove" an AfD tag. I initiated a discussion about this page, and in a week, we'll get an answer.. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:58, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, Alright I have included my answer to this request, Peter Boykin is a Politician, and has been more than enough times notable to be followed and written about by a lot of mainstream media of notable sources, this more than enough can prove he is notable for Wikipedia, not even mentioning that if Gays for Trump is notable then its founder is notable as well. It would be like saying the Constitution of the United States is notable but its creators are not. Of course Gays for Trump is no where near the standing of the Consitution 7valentine7 (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

POV

I neglected to explain my tagging, my mistake. There is clear peacock terminology in this article, and use of quotes from Boykin for promotion of the subject. Also, it relies on POV sources, like Big League Politics. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

If you saw a POV source then you could remove that source? Although if you go to the source above and watch the video you can clearly see that Peter Boykin was attacked. Not sure how a POV can said considering the POV is from watching the video of the attack? 7valentine7 (talk) 00:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

A closer examination shows more significant problems. The text "Boykin threw a peaceful event although in the city violent protesters were present." is supported by this NBC News source. This makes it sound as though protesters came to the DeploraBall and caused a scene. Really there's nothing about violence in the source, nothing about protesters protesting the DeploraBall (it's just about the general anti-Trump protests of the time), and no reason at all to call this a "peaceful event" among "violent protesters". – Muboshgu (talk) 04:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

If you research the DeploraBall there were multiple events in the DC area called "DeploraBall" the one in DC became violent and there was a considerable amount of protestors. If you note the article does explain that the "Gay" Deploraball was peaceful compared to the other violent events going on in Washington DC. 7valentine7 (talk) 00:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Can we resolve this POV tag? What would your suggestion be? 7valentine7 (talk) 00:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Well done, Another Believer. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, Thanks. Sorry, I have not even read any of these talk page discussions yet. An edit to Gays for Trump put this article on my radar. What a mess! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I am new... learning... 7valentine7 (talk) 06:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer, it was the same edit that brought it to my attention. I did not have it in me to slice and dice the mess like you did. Kudos. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Suggestions instead of Attacking This Article

Note this page stood for almost 48 hours and with multiple "bots" and users that helped to edit this page. Until I made an edit on the Gays for Trump page as per the suggestions in its talk page. Since then this page has been recommended for deletion although the subject is widely known in many media outlets. Notable media outlets. He also is a politician and former candidate for NC house.

I would suggest that before one attacks this page that one would suggest edits to the page to clear up any issues. Otherwise, I will keep a watchful eye over this page and fight changes until everyone can be satisfied. Though at some time these attacks must stop.7valentine7 (talk) 05:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

7valentine7, editors do not "fight changes" on Wikipedia. We form WP:CONSENSUS, and adhere to the WP:5P of Wikipedia, including WP:NPOV. If you want to be part of the discussion, I suggest you try not to make Wikipedia your WP:BATTLEGROUND. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey, I am new here, I don't understand all your lingo. But I sometimes call a rotten egg a rotten egg. I have included myself in the discussion. I am learning. As there have been a lot of edits to the page, I am glad that this is being done and those working on it can ensure that the page stays up. At the end of the day that's the whole point I made the page. I included as much information as I could find about the subject in anticipation of others stepping in to dispute such a thing. 7valentine7 (talk) 05:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

7valentine7, Muboshgu is right, please don't "fight" the changes experienced editors are making to the page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not. Thanks for cleaning it up 7valentine7 (talk) 07:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of #GoRight

As with the new changes I see that the article still refers to the fact that Peter Boykin is still doing a broadcast called Maga First News, as indicated he has changed this branding to #GoRight with Peter Boykin. Please suggest how we can add this to the article and source it as the only sources were I assume from Peter Boykin's blogs? He does have the branding on this youtube, patreon, spreaker, and other locations as well indicating the change in his programs. Please suggest how we can go about adding this section.

Also, there is a movement he founded called #GoRight, please suggest how this can be properly added to the page. I do not have other sources to indicate this launch other than his own announcement7valentine7 (talk) 05:49, 21 January 2020 (UTC).

It’s in your best interest to favor and focus on what reliable sources state, almost solely. If you’re having problems finding them, then a very brief mention or none at all seems best. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Need to add Buttigieg scam

Mid-2019 scam against Buttigieg. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Please elaborate? 7valentine7 (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/05/im-gay-conservative-im-standing-mayor-pete/ Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources?

Are these sources even reliable?

• Big League Politics
• Joe My God
• QNotes
• RNZ.com

If not, I propose they be removed/replaced. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer, Big League Politics is a questionable source. The others, I have not heard of. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

QNotes is Q-Notes and RNZ.com is Radio New Zealand. Those may be fine. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Joe My God is a blog. Hard pass. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

JMG I would use to lead to the original source. Q-Notes I think is a LGBTQ journalism report, there could be more than one. Gleeanon409 (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I would suggest that any sources removed or disputed be moved to the additional reading section. I still find it hard to believe that Newsweek has fallen so low. Though if the daily beast and Newsweek are the same company it makes since why on a Google search these come up so frequently. 7valentine7 (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Removed Sources

I would suggest removed sources that pointed to other items disputed still be added to the "additional reads" section 7valentine7 (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

7valentine7, No. The sources were removed for good reason. Please do not add them back. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not adding I just suggested 7valentine7 (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Running For US Congress

Peter Boykin is Running For US Congress this may need to be added to this wikipage The website is BoykinForCongress.com

In May 2021, he announced that he was running for US Congress to represent North Carolina's 13th congressional district

References

COI editing

Peter Boykin himself appears to have edited this article extensively, per the declaration of IP editor 65.118.44.201 being Boykin at Talk:Gays for Trump/Archive 1#Why was Peter Boykin Removed from the Page Linking to him being the President of Gays For Trump?. The same account was also used for edits on this article. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Take note although I share the same IP address as those comments, at the time I was speaking on behalf of Peter Boykin and used his own words in the comments. I am not in fact Peter Boykin, looking back at this I should have been more clear that I was relaying his message in that example.

Again, to be clear I am NOT Peter Boykin, and if you look at the article in question extensively it has been changed multiple times by many editors. I merely added information to update the page to include new information. If you feel that I added too much you can clearly edit this as you have. There are plenty of references as well. I also question the timing of editors interest in this article since the election time is coming again for Boykin. I foresee a lot of people once again trying to make various edits to attack his character.

So I hope this clarifies the connection between IP addresses. Again I am not Peter Boykin, I just know of him and connected to him through social media through his group Gays for Trump. I would not think that would be a problem as I am attempting to stay neutral as intended by Wikipedia and provide sources.

It is early in the election season but I was hoping to add more references to his election as they came up.

For example many news point to this story that indicates that Peter Boykin is running.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/north_carolina/article_8be5d49e-b94f-11ed-af0f-9bf329e0a98b.html I was hoping to add this to the article.

I will not add anything else until this issue is cleared up and the tag is removed, if someone else will edit this article to include information I could just add new information to the talk page until it is resolved.

Thanks 65.118.44.201 (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I have already added cited The Center Square article as a source on this article as confirmation of his declared intent to run for lieutenant governor. If you are close friends with Boykin or, for example, a paid member of his organization, or if he is asking you to edit this page on his behalf, a COI may still exist. Please be mindful of this for the future. -Indy beetle (talk) 21:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify I am not paid by Peter Boykin nor am I a close friend or a paid member of the organization. In the past he did reach out to people to ask someone who had knowledge of Wikipedia to resolve the issue he had were someone had for a joke changed his information on the Gays For Trump page. Since I had some knowledge I reached out to him to get this information corrected. I however did as describe above forget to clarify I was speaking on his behalf for this singular issue. As for editing, Peter Boykin has no influence in any edits I have done in the page (in fact he urged me to remove information of which I said no) I have no intention to create any COI at all. 65.118.44.201 (talk) 21:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Running for Lt Governor

Peter Boykin is Running For Lt Governor this info is included on this wikipage already. This is a placeholder for links that need to be added as references.

"as is Peter Boykin, an “Americans First Constitutionalist” who garnered a mere 170 votes in the May 2022 Republican primary for state House District 63."

References

65.118.44.201 (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)