Talk:Ra'ad bin Zeid

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sooner or later I will edit something of the following to Zeid's article:

The Iraqi Constitution (as amended in November 1943) sets rules of succession that stipulate:

succession to the Iraqi Throne is only for males of Iraqi nationality, and
takes place according to primogeniture, male dynasts lawfully begotten, from the family of King Faisal I of Iraq by his Queen. Failing male heirs of King Faisal (which occurred in 1958 when Faisal II died), succession is next to lawfully begotten descendants in male line of his brothers, the sons of King Hussein of Hejaz, according to primogeniture, provided they are also Iraqi nationals. That constitution provides no further: those who descend in male line from Hussein's ancestors, are not successors as to Iraq. Female descent is excluded from succession.

According to these provisions

After the deaths of King Faisal II and Crown Prince Abd al-Ilah, the leadership of the Royal House devolved on Prince Zaid, youngest brother of King Faisal I, sometime Deputy and Acting Regent of the Kingdom. As Ambassador in London, he escaped the bloodbath in Baghdad. A veteran of the Arab revolt, cultured and urbane, he led a relatively quiet life in London and died in exile in France in 1970. Since then, the claim to the Iraqi throne, in accordance with the 1943 Constitution, rests with his only son, Prince Ra'ad, long resident in Jordan as aide and close confidant of King's Hussein and 'Abdu'llah.

[1958 - 1970] Major-General H.R.H. Prince Zeid, GCVO (16.5.1956), GBE (m 19.5.1920). b. at Stinia Palace, Yenikoy, Bosphorus, Turkey, 28th February 1898, fifth son of H.M. Hussein ibn 'Ali, Caliph al-Islam, King of the Hijaz, Commander of the Faithful, Grand Sharif and Amir of Mecca, GCB, by his third wife, H.M. Queen Adila Khanum, daughter of Salah Bey, educ. Ghalata Serai Coll., Constantinople, and Balliol Coll., Oxford. Deputy Cdr. Arab Northern Army 1916-1919, appointed a Colonel of Cavalry in the Iraqi Army 1923, prom. Maj-Gen., Iraqi Envoy. Ext. and Min. Plen. to Turkey 1932-1933, Germany 1935-1938 and Ambassador at the Court of St James's 1946-1958. Deputy Regent of the Kingdom of Iraq 1933-1935, and Regent on several other occasions. Head of the Royal House of Iraq after the assassination of King Faisal II, 14th July 1958. Rcvd: the Grand Order of the Hashimites, the Orders of Faisal I and the Two Rivers 1st class of Iraq, the GC of the Orders of the Renaissance (special class) and Independence of the Hijaz, and Merit of Germany (1938). m. at Athens, Greece, November 1933, H.R.H. Princess Fakhr un-nisa Zeid [Fahrelnissa Zeid] (b. on Prinkipo, Turkey, 1901; d. at Amman, Jordan, 5th September 1991, bur. Royal Mausoleum, Raghdan Palace, Amman), a gifted artist and painter, rcvd: GC of the Order of the Star of Jordan, Cdr. of the Order of Arts & Letters of France, former wife of Izzet-Melih Bey Devrim, and third daughter of Brigadier-General H.E. Shakir Pasha Kabaaj, sometime Ottoman Ambassador to Greece, by his second wife, Sare Ismet Khanum, a Cretan lady. He d. at Paris, France, 18th October 1970 (Royal Mausoleum, Raghdan Palace, Amman)

only son: Prince Ra'ad (born 18 February 1936 in Berlin where his father was Iraqi ambassador at the time)

wife Princess Fahrelnissa (Fakhr un-nisa), a Turkish noble lady.

The Kingdom of Iraq has confirmed his style as His Royal Highness and Prince.

Prince Zeid is the youngest son of the late king Hussein of Hejaz

As such he was uncle of late kings Talal of Jordan and Ghazi of Iraq.

His great-nephew Faisal II, the last king of Iraq King, was killed in a bloody coup d'etat on 14 July 1958 (also Crown Prince Abd-al-Illah was killed at the same attentate). Following the regicide, Prince Zeid took the representation of Iraqi monarchy as the next heir, and was recognized as the Head of the Royal House of Iraq by his remaining agnatic co-heirs of Jordan. They continued to live in London, where the family resided during the coup, as Zeid was the Iraqi ambassador there.

The Iraqi Constitution (as amended in November 1943) sets rules of succession that stipulate:

succession to the Iraqi Throne is only for males of Iraqi nationality, and
takes place according to primogeniture, male dynasts lawfully begotten, from the family of King Faisal I of Iraq by his Queen. Failing male heirs of King Faisal (which occurred in 1958 when Faisal II died), succession is next to lawfully begotten descendants in male line of his brothers, the sons of King Hussein of Hejaz, according to primogeniture, provided they are also Iraqi nationals. That constitution provides no further: those who descend in male line from Hussein's ancestors, are not successors as to Iraq. Female descent is excluded from succession.

Zeid was naturalized as a subject of Iraqi monarchy and is regarded to fulfill the nationality requirement. Moreover, he was at that time recognized as a Prince of Iraq, and was appointed Deputy Regent of Iraq, as well as acted occasionally as full regent during Faisal II's minority.

He is a male-line descendant of Hussein of Hejaz aforementioned, as his youngest son. According to the provisions of cited constitution, Zeid is eligible to succeed in Iraq. No other senior in primogeniture itself (meaning in practice the dynasts of Jordan, as all other lines have gone extinct), is asserting any claim to Iraq as obviously none of such are Iraqi nationals.

Prince?

is he really a prince? can an encycplopedia call anyone who claims to be a prince a prince even if they are without a kingdom?

Hassan kachal (talk) 05:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger from Line of succession to the Iraqi throne

The line of succession article is not a comprehensive list of the monarchs of Iraq (covered in List of Kings of Iraq), in fact, it appears to be an early version of this article. I put a redirect from that page to this one. The former article had no talk page. Ivanvector (talk) 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My question is does he hold any Jordanian title? Iraq is a republic and has no princes. But is he an HRH of the RF of Jordan, which would make him a real prince, and if so does that extend to his sons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.17.83 (talk) 07:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 December 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. The title "Prince" is not necessarily used for disambiguation — it is usually a reflection of the WP:COMMONNAME in English. In this case, it appears that this is the common name, and is consistent with the other royals listed in the article. (closed by non-admin page mover) Brad v 17:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ra'ad bin Zeid → Prince Ra'ad bin Zeid – He is a Prince and he should have the title in front. Mr Hall of England (talk) 16:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr Hall of England: Only if needed to disambiguate. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Anthony Appleyard: his children and grandchildren have the Prince prefex on there Wikipedia articles.Mr Hall of England (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.