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Linking this article from Ethiopia[edit]

All of the longstanding and easily verified facts mentioning the significance of Rastafari were summarily removed from Ethiopia yesterday by an insistent pair of editors who were also quite concerned that I not bring this issue up here, and leave it only to their judgement. However, after due deliberation, I have decided to mention this thing that is happening here as worthy of your attention. It seems that the article on Rastafari cannot be linked to or even alluded to now from Ethiopia. Not that this is a totally orphaned article, but it deserves a mention and a link from Ethiopia as significant to the topic at the least. Binghi Dad (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

For anyone interested, it appears this discussion was about the idea that while Ethiopia is extremely relevant to the framework of Rastafari, Rastafari hasn't had much impact on Ethiopia. Binghi Dad (apparently an WP:SPA) wanted to add material to the Ethiopia lede about Rastafari, other editors tried to explain that was WP:UNDUE, and ultimately Binghi Dad ended up blocked. I wasn't involved I was just curious about the above comment and skimmed the discussion. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:54, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 6 June 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved (by Ritchie333). (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 00:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)



Rastafari movementRastafari – This title is a leftover of having another article at Rastafari in 2005, while this article was named Rastafarianism (another title which some adherents also find reductive or offensive). The current title is awkward, overly specific, and possibly reductive. Rastafari could be considered or applied as a movement, or a lifestyle, but it is primarily considered a religion (as it says in the lede). This article is about all things Rastafari. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:46, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Support per nom. "Rastafari" is the WP:COMMONNAME as per Google Ngram. Khestwol (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. ONR (talk) 20:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment the 2005 version seems to be a prose-form disambiguation page -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 07:11, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Per nom and comments. It also is how one refers to an adherent of Rastafari, so is an all-purpose name. Randy Kryn 10:00, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong support if the article Rastafari is currently a redirect to here. Pages named after plain titles should always be either real articles or disambiguation pages, never redirects. JIP | Talk 21:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Renaming categories[edit]

I realized as I was putting together the proposal to rename the categories that having the same word apply to the religion as well as the adherants complicates things when they both have categories at less appropriate titles. If you are interested in helping decide a new name, please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion - Rastafarians. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 4 external links on Rastafari. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

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Question? Archived sources still need to be checked

Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 03:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

rasta[edit]

wussup im a young rasta and i want to learn more about rastafari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tooka6 (talkcontribs) 04:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Diet[edit]

I consulted this article for specific information on Rastafari diet and it would appear that the entire section needs a re-write. For example, "Wine is seen as a "mocker" and strong drink is "raging"; however, simple consumption of beer or the very common roots wine are not systematically a part of Rastafari culture this way or that." Hien? It's disappointing to find such twaddle in such an important article but I'm not qualified to help in this instance. --81.187.49.114 (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Recent addition regarding Bob Marley[edit]

I have a problem with the recently added line " It should be noted that after Marley's visit to Ethiopia, he left the Rasta religion and converted to the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church.[61][62]" Firstly, the sources cited for this are not reliable (one isn't even really a source, just the name of a church with no descriptive info). However, after some discussion at the Bob Marley talk page, it would seem that there are indeed reliable sources saying he was baptized into the Ethiopian Orthodox Church shortly before his death. However, those reliable sources do not specifically mention his leaving the Rasta religion per-se, only his baptism into Ethiopian Orthodoxy. so phrasing it as "left the Rasta religion" it not necessarily correct without a source stating that they are mutually exclusive (His funeral was partially Rasta and partially Orthodox, so it would appear that joining one did not necessarily mean leaving the other). Also, what is the purpose of including this information here? Why should it be noted? This seems to be problematic in relation to NPOV. Bob Marley is only briefly mentioned, and does not seem to require this kind of addition, so in this context it seems a bit WP:UNDUE. Is it really notable and necessary to this section? As per WP:ONUS, which states "While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article." it seems that this information being covered on Bob Marley's own page would be enough coverage. UnequivocalAmbivalence (talk) 01:52, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

I am going to remove the sentence as it specifically violates MOS:NOTE which clearly states "Avoid such phrases as remember that and note that, which address readers directly in an unencyclopedic tone." UnequivocalAmbivalence (talk) 10:20, 3 December 2015

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I changed the wording, so you can be a little less nitpicky now (hopefully). Whether or not you consider the sources reliable is irrelevant since there are several and we do.Trinacrialucente (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Firstly, go ahead and give WP:CIVIL a read, and avoid personal attacks. Secondly, those are not reliable sources no matter what you personally feel. There ARE reliable sources for that info, but the website you are providing is not one of them. Thirdly, you have not answered my question as to why this information should be included here, and again I will refer you to WP:ONUS which clearly states "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.". The process of WP:BRD means that when you add something and it gets removed, you should (Before re-adding it) come here to the talk page and achieve consensus. What you are not supposed to do is keep re-adding your material so that your version is always the current one during discussions. Please wait for discussions to conclude before re-adding the material. I'm sorry if you feel that following Wikipedia policy is "nitpicky". UnequivocalAmbivalence (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Seriously cannot understand why you are being so obstinate, since you know for a fact this is no longer in dispute as it was discussed at length on the talk page...which you yourself took part https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Marley#Converting_to_Christianity (there's your WP:ONUS ). The issue was resolved over there, which means it should be resolved here as well, which is why I am at a loss as to why you are insisting on going through the same ordeal here (hence "nit-picky and obstinate). If you have issues with the sources, then pick the ones you liked best from the Bob Marley article instead of childishly reverting this article. The only one who has an issue is you.Trinacrialucente (talk) 03:42, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Rudeness will not win this argument for you. They are separate discussions. That discussion related to whether the information on that page was verifiable, whit consensus determined that it was. WP:ONUS specifically states that merely being verifiable is not the sole criteria for inclusion. You need consensus on THIS instance of inclusion. Please read the policy, and contribute to the discussion without resorting to ad hominem attacks. You still have not stated your reason for wanting this piece of information included here, where it follows only a passing mention of Bob Marley and has no bearing on the statements he is being cited as having made. Explain to me why this is necessary information here on the Rastafari page, as is your obligation per WP:ONUS.UnequivocalAmbivalence (talk) 04:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Third opinion[edit]

Searchtool-80%.png Response to third opinion request:
First off, both of you are in an edit war, so I would be careful about that. At any rate, I agree with UA that the sources were unreliable (the second source didn't back up what was being said; and the first "source" wasn't a source at all; it was just a statement). But nothing else in that section was sourced either, so I just deleted the whole thing. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 06:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Rastafari beung discussed now at wt:gay[edit]

Dear editors of this article, they are now discussing with me their admin lockdown to a pov version at wp:lgbt so you will know the discussion. Merry Christmas. 172.58.185.227 (talk) 17:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Not quite a discussion. Mainly insults and innuendo from the IP. And that's NPOV. Doug Weller talk 21:15, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

"Haile Selassie I denied being God'[edit]

All Rastafarians know this is a lie and this blatant attack on our faith cannot stand. I feel as if certain wikipedia editors have decided on my and all the world's behalf that my personal convictions are wrong, as a Rastafari that is to say my firm conviction is that not only is His Majesty the returned Jesus Christ, but that there is nothing in His Words denying this. If wikipedia is hostile to the Rastafari viewpoint, no doubt it is hostile to Rastafari like myself having any involvement with wikipedia since we believe firmly something that certain editors have decided for us is incorrect, and no doubt they would like wikipedia to become just another platform for telling the world Rasta has been found wrong. Is is also beyond preposterous and a blatant attack opinion to say His Majesty did not encourage us because we have documentation of His extensive contacts with us as early as the 1930s. Robert the Broof (talk) 18:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

The source is a book published by an academic press and meets our criteria at WP:RS. Do you want to suggest some sources about his contacts? Wikipedia isn't hostile or supporting of any religion, but our articles need to follow WP:NPOV and our sources. It should not state that a religion is true or, unless it's clearly a scam/hoax which yours is definitely not, state it's false. Doug Weller talk 19:11, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Can you please explain how His Majesty's quote is interpreted as denying in any way that He is divine. That is not what the quote says at all. The interviewer mentioned the idea that He is Jesus Christ, in His reply He mentioned that He is a man and also listed a couple of other attributes that also apply to Jesus Christ. Far from saying "I am not divine", in fact He replied by listing several attributes that also apply to Him as Jesus Christ. There are also declassified documents from the British government starting in the 1950s, showing that they tried endlessly to get HIM to issue a definite statement denying divinity for the sake of their Jamaican colony, and the correspondence shows the British ambassador in Addis found Whitehall's request entirely out of the question. When He visited Jamaica they again asked Him to repudiate the Rasta faith and He pointedly refused, saying "Who am I to disturb their faith?" Robert the Broof (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Looking again at the source I've reworded the introduction to the quote. That should help you. It would be nice to get some sources though about the British government. Doug Weller talk 19:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
1968 was a typo. But the source does not mention Jesus and we should not have that in the sentence without a source saying the interviewer said that. Doug Weller talk 20:16, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
There's really no dispute about how the interview went down, there are abundant print sources and the original audio itself is easy to find, even on youtube.
Project 67 presents: "The Conquering Lion of Judah" A Profile Study of His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie the First, Emperor of Ethiopia. in Canada 1967 aboard the Royal train. (The first personal radio interview that Haile Selassie ever granted) Question by Bill Mc Neil: "there are millions of Christians throughout the world, your Imperial Majesty, who regard you as the reincarnation of Jesus Christ." H.M. Haile Selassie I's answer: "I have heard of that idea. I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that 'I am a man,' that 'I am Mortal,' and that 'I will be replaced by the oncoming generation, and that they should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that a human being is emanated from a deity.'"

Narrator: "But, despite this clear declaration, millions of Ethiopians still believe that he is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ." Robert the Broof (talk) 20:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC

Great, but someone needs to find that source and add it. This is getting better. We can't use YouTube unless it's an official channel. Doug Weller talk 21:08, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Reincarnation[edit]

Having just found out that Rastas believe in reincarnation, I was surprised to see no comment in the wiki, save for the reincarnation of Haile Selassie. As I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people here, does this topic deserve a heading, or at least a sentence in the doctrine section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlebluenick (talkcontribs) 19:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

It is not really a mainstream belief or taught much as in buddhism, apart from the messiah who can be reincarnated, the Bible talks about resurrection for regular mortals; though some would claim to be reincarnated from ancient Israelites. 172.56.2.164 (talk) 20:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)