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Wretchedness
[edit]The wretchedness of the accompanying article is astounding, despite its rescue in 2006 from beginning its prose with
- Galle breaks up to a shower of golden rays each dawn, blessings of the sun god,Ensuring the winds the rains and the harvest from the soil and hope for the people.130 years ago Galle had a another blessing of a another sun. A blessing That brought the spirit of love, kindness, human values, knowledge and the empowerment of those who were touched by it. In May 1876 was the birth of Galle high school showering Galle with the rays of knowledge each passing days.
and not so much from its current 21-month stint in which it unencyclopedically included the school anthem, starting
- Play up boys of Richmond all as one unite
Battle ever for the right and with all your might
Never mind a knock or two never fear the fight
Get upon your feet again for Richmond’s honour bright
It is wretched more for the 4+ years that it has existed as a HatNote-free article that
- overwrote the preceding well-established Rdr to University of Richmond (the successor of Richmond College (Virginia)),
- claims to be the primary topic for the title "Richmond College" despite being not an institution of higher education, but "a secondary school" ("Age: 6 to 19", so secondary to what??), and at that, one whose "official Web Links" begin with "Richmond College, Galle" (http://www.richmondcollege.lk ), which is a page dominated by a slideshow of
- two buildings,
a marching band,
a playing field,
a flag-bearing group of presumably sub-teen school students,
a model of the sailing ship that presumably brought the school's founding missionaries,
an arboretum-style scene; and
- two buildings,
- otherwise consists of 12 headlined items: 9 exclusively about sport, one primarily so, and two entitled "College Main Hall Restoration" and "Richmond College Magazine", and
- neither the de-facto primary-topic status of the article, nor its failure to comply with guidelines for even justified primary topics that require Dab'n, has ever been explicitly asserted on this talk page nor in the edit summaries. Three Dabn HatNotes providing for needed Dab'n were eventually added, one or two at a time starting 11:13, 19 January 2007, and (after 2 Huggle reversions of removals by a Colombo-based IP with only 3 edits to date, all unconstructive) removed w/o explanation by a registered user who now has 36 contribs.
My rename of the page will ameliorate the wretchedness. No matter how large a fraction of its country's major figures attend it, no primary/secondary-school is as notable as any of the institutions that have grown into advanced-degree-granting universities. IMO there is no primary topic for the title "Richmond College", but a claim that Sri Lanka's analog of a UK public school is primary (when two older or even roughly contemporary institutions of higher education of the same name have grown into MS- and PhD-producing ones) is not just a mistaken opinion; it would be a ridiculous one if enunciated. The original Rdr was appropriate, and overwriting with the article would have been a mistake, even without the reckless discarding of the obviously needed link that the Rdr embodied. The use of 3 {{For}} HatNotes piled on top of one another was pretty bad style, but their function was needed; that function will be well fulfilled by using the title as a Dab pg of the equal Dab'n type. Thus i am renaming the page to Richmond College (Sri Lanka), and converting the resulting Move-tool Rdr to the Dab.
--Jerzy•t 23:52, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Two heads of state??
[edit]I found
- including two heads of state. Richmond College has produced the present President and a former Prime Minister.
and replaced it with
- including two in the highest political positions, namely the current president, and a former prime minister.
If you're offending by my screwing it up with factual mistakes, don't expect me to have regrets: use additional eyeballs, and take it up with the previous author, whose meaning can only be guessed at. I can't imagine why anyone would write that, unless they fail to understand that (as in most republics) SL has a president, who is the chief of state, and a PM, who presumably is (as in most republics) the chief of government. Depending on the nature of the misconception, they may have intended to specify 2, 3, or 4 people with one office each. Or fewer than 4 people, at least one of whom has held both of those top offices.
If my interpretation is right, and there's one current pres and one former PM, use my wordings as the pipings, and link each phrase to the respective bio; duplicate links (in, i presume, the Alumni section) are not that bad a thing, provided one copy is in the prose and another in a list.
Oh, yeah: link old boy (assuming the term is not just too informal), since many North Americans will be befuddled by that public school slang.
--Jerzy•t 03:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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Edit warring
[edit]Don't. See WP:3RR. There have been multiple violations of this policy in the last few days, and those involved can count themselves lucky to have avoided being blocked from editing so far - this isn't going to continue.
The article is a mess - it cites no sources whatsoever, and isn't written in a remotely encyclopaedic style. I suggest that those arguing about content instead do something about this. Find sources for the article for a start - without that, it is liable to be reduced to a stub. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Since everyone involved is a new editor, I've opted to protect the page rather than hand out blocks. If edit warring resumes once the protection expires, expect the latter to be employed. WilyD 15:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Further to this, I suggest everyone involved also reads Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Constant disruptive edits - you will find some good advice there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 21 September 2012
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Add "* Prof. P. V. J. Jayasekera - Formerly Professor of History, Director, Institute for International Studies University of Peradeniya" to Prominent Educationalists
Change UK to England Ananda Dias-Jayasinha (talk) 16:28, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Given the edit warring that's been going on, I don't think any changes can be made unless there's a clearly demonstrated consensus first. What does everyone else think of the changes? WilyD 16:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Ananda Dias-Jayasinha, you have provided no source for your proposed edits. Then again, nothing else in the article is sourced. This needs to be addressed before we start adding more content. I'm not kidding about reducing this to a stub. Our articles are supposed to be based on published, verifiable sources. Where are they? If the don't exist, there isn't going to be much of an article left. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Echoing above, do not ask to add more info until citations have been provided for what already exists in the article. Also, not saying or suggesting the entire thing is a copyvio but it is odd that the words "daring foresight persuaded" are used exactly in the same manner and context in the sentence regarding Joseph Rippon under the history section of this article as is on RichmondCollege.org. Curious. SassyLilNugget (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}}
template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 22 September 2012
[edit]Extended content
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6°3′10.37″N 80°12′17.01″E / 6.0528806°N 80.2047250°E
Richmond College (Sinhala: රිච්මන්ඩ් විද්යාලය) is a primary and secondary school in Galle, Sri Lanka. The school was started as a Galle High School in 1876 by Rev.George Baugh. Richmond College is now a well-established institution with a reputation as one of the finest schools in Sri Lanka. Approaching the end of its second century as a school, it has produced many prominent citizens, including two in the highest political positions, namely the current President, and a former Prime Minister. History[edit]The founder of Richmond was the Wesleyan missionary Rev. George Baugh.It was later renamed as Richmond College in 1882 as it was standing on Richmond Hill. Rev. Samuel Langdon was the first Principal of the Galle High School. He is also credited with having a proper school organized. The School began with a staff of 8 of which some were drawn from the old school and with 104 pupils on the roll. This opened the door for higher education. The last Principal of the Galle High School was Rev. Samuel Hill who advised the Mission to rename the school to Richmond. Six years later in 1882 the school was renamed "Richmond College" and Rev. Samuel Rowse Wilkins became the first Principal of Richmond. Latin, Mathematics, Science, Arts and Religion were included in the curriculum, and children were trained to sit for British public examinations. A prize giving was held in its very first year, and a library with 500 books was opened in 1878. The first College magazine was published in 1887. It was only the second occasion that a school in Ceylon had produced a magazine. The same year, the English Literary Union was formed and cricket was started in the school. In 1894, under the principal-ship of Rev. Hartley, the Old Boys' Association was formed. Another important occurrence during that year was the establishment of the College Cadet Corps. Main Hall Rev. James Horne Darrell assumed duties as principal in 1896. The school experienced both physical expansion as well as qualitative growth. During his period, Richmond rose to be recognized as one of the best schools in the island. At the local Cambridge Examinations of 1905, Richmond earned top position among assisted schools and second place among all schools in Ceylon. The same year, the Richmond - Mahinda Match was played for the first time, with the two Principals, Rev. Darrell of Richmond and Mr. F. L. Woodward of Mahinda, officiating as umpires. Rev. Darrell sacrificed his life for the college nursing the pupils who were afflicted with 'Typhoid' when there was an outbreak in the country and was buried at the Dadalla Cemetery, Galle. The Rev. W. J. T. Small became principal following the death of Rev. Darrell. Reverends Darrell and Small are the only two Principals of Richmond who have been buried side by side and it is a sad coincidence that both these great Principals met with their deaths under tragic circumstances; former due to Typhoid fever and the latter due to a bus accident. Commerce was introduced as a subject in 1912. This was also the year in which Football was started at Richmond. In 1915, the 2nd Galle (Richmond) Scouts Group was established. Scouting at Richmond College enjoyed remarkable success from the beginning. The first two King's Scouts in the island were produced by Richmond. In 1916, Ceylon’s first Cub Pack was started at Richmond College. A notable event during the Rev. Small's period was the formation of the National Association at Richmond in 1915. It was in effect a forum within the school for the emerging nationalist movement. In 1922, Rev. Alec Sneath took over the reins of Richmond College. He was responsible for many measures which brought refinement and qualitative development to the school. In 1926, a well-equipped library was established in a new building. The Science Society was started the same year. In 1931, the Sinhala Literary Union came into being. In 1940, the last of the missionary principals left, leaving the school in the hands of local graduates. Mr. E. R. de Silva, an old boy (alumni) of the school, had the distinction of becoming the first Ceylonese principal of Richmond College. This was a period which saw major changes in the educational structure of Ceylon. The Free Education Scheme which was devised by Mr. C. W. W. Kannangara, an illustrious old boy of Richmond College, was being implemented, and the school had to be geared to suit the changes. The history of Richmond are from original Mission Records held in the Methodist Mission Library, in Colombo and in England. In 1962, Richmond College, which was owned by the Methodist Mission, was nationalised. Mr. D. G. Welikala, the first head of Richmond College under state management, was also its first Buddhist principal. With the takeover, the Methodist Vernacular School on Richmond Hill was amalgamated with Richmond. This school was referred to as the "Kaha Iskole" by some and "Pin Iskole (පින් ඉස්කෝලෙ )" meaning Charity school by others has been in existence from the time the Missionaries established a learning seat on Richmond Hill. During this period, considerable expansion and change had to take place to cater to the new situation. Richmond College faced the challenge of transition so successfully that the then Minister of Education commended Richmond on several occasions, describing it as a model institution among nationalised schools[citation needed]. Richmond College was one of the first schools in the island to start the teaching of Agriculture as a subject. In 1969, it became the first school in the country to start an Agricultural stream for the Advanced Level. In 1976, the College celebrated its centenary as "Galle High School and Richmond College" combined although in reality it was 162 years old. In terms of the provisions of the White Paper on Education, Richmond College was named as a National School in 1986. Past superintendents and principals[edit]The following are the heads of the school from 1876. The Founder
Principals - Galle High School (1876 to 1882)
Principals - Richmond College (1882 to 1962)
Principals since vesting with the government (1962 to date)
Notable alumni[edit]Presidents, Prime Ministers, Cabinet Ministers and Legislators[edit]
Prominent educationists[edit]
Prominent civil servants[edit]
Prominent musicians, dramatists and cinematographers[edit]
Prominent sportsmen and sports administrators[edit]
Medicine[edit]
External links[edit]Category:Educational institutions established in 1814 Category:Boys' schools in Sri Lanka Category:National schools in Sri Lanka Category:Schools in Galle Category:Schools with a Cadet Corps Category:Public schools in Sri Lanka * |
Edit request on 22 September 2012
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6°3′10.37″N 80°12′17.01″E / 6.0528806°N 80.2047250°E
Richmond College (Sinhala: රිච්මන්ඩ් විද්යාලය) is a primary and secondary school in Galle, Sri Lanka. The school was started as a Galle High School in 1876 by Rev.George Baugh. Richmond College is now a well-established institution with a reputation as one of the finest schools in Sri Lanka. Approaching the end of its second century as a school, it has produced many prominent citizens, including two in the highest political positions, namely the current President, and a former Prime Minister. History[edit]The founder of Richmond was the Wesleyan missionary Rev. George Baugh.It was later renamed as Richmond College in 1882 as it was standing on Richmond Hill. Rev. Samuel Langdon was the first Principal of the Galle High School. He is also credited with having a proper school organized. The School began with a staff of 8 of which some were drawn from the old school and with 104 pupils on the roll. This opened the door for higher education. The last Principal of the Galle High School was Rev. Samuel Hill who advised the Mission to rename the school to Richmond. Six years later in 1882 the school was renamed "Richmond College" and Rev. Samuel Rowse Wilkins became the first Principal of Richmond. Latin, Mathematics, Science, Arts and Religion were included in the curriculum, and children were trained to sit for British public examinations. A prize giving was held in its very first year, and a library with 500 books was opened in 1878. The first College magazine was published in 1887. It was only the second occasion that a school in Ceylon had produced a magazine. The same year, the English Literary Union was formed and cricket was started in the school. In 1894, under the principal-ship of Rev. Hartley, the Old Boys' Association was formed. Another important occurrence during that year was the establishment of the College Cadet Corps. Main Hall Rev. James Horne Darrell assumed duties as principal in 1896. The school experienced both physical expansion as well as qualitative growth. During his period, Richmond rose to be recognized as one of the best schools in the island. At the local Cambridge Examinations of 1905, Richmond earned top position among assisted schools and second place among all schools in Ceylon. The same year, the Richmond - Mahinda Match was played for the first time, with the two Principals, Rev. Darrell of Richmond and Mr. F. L. Woodward of Mahinda, officiating as umpires. Rev. Darrell sacrificed his life for the college nursing the pupils who were afflicted with 'Typhoid' when there was an outbreak in the country and was buried at the Dadalla Cemetery, Galle. The Rev. W. J. T. Small became principal following the death of Rev. Darrell. Reverends Darrell and Small are the only two Principals of Richmond who have been buried side by side and it is a sad coincidence that both these great Principals met with their deaths under tragic circumstances; former due to Typhoid fever and the latter due to a bus accident. Commerce was introduced as a subject in 1912. This was also the year in which Football was started at Richmond. In 1915, the 2nd Galle (Richmond) Scouts Group was established. Scouting at Richmond College enjoyed remarkable success from the beginning. The first two King's Scouts in the island were produced by Richmond. In 1916, Ceylon’s first Cub Pack was started at Richmond College. A notable event during the Rev. Small's period was the formation of the National Association at Richmond in 1915. It was in effect a forum within the school for the emerging nationalist movement. In 1922, Rev. Alec Sneath took over the reins of Richmond College. He was responsible for many measures which brought refinement and qualitative development to the school. In 1926, a well-equipped library was established in a new building. The Science Society was started the same year. In 1931, the Sinhala Literary Union came into being. In 1940, the last of the missionary principals left, leaving the school in the hands of local graduates. Mr. E. R. de Silva, an old boy (alumni) of the school, had the distinction of becoming the first Ceylonese principal of Richmond College. This was a period which saw major changes in the educational structure of Ceylon. The Free Education Scheme which was devised by Mr. C. W. W. Kannangara, an illustrious old boy of Richmond College, was being implemented, and the school had to be geared to suit the changes. The history of Richmond are from original Mission Records held in the Methodist Mission Library, in Colombo and in England. In 1962, Richmond College, which was owned by the Methodist Mission, was nationalised. Mr. D. G. Welikala, the first head of Richmond College under state management, was also its first Buddhist principal. With the takeover, the Methodist Vernacular School on Richmond Hill was amalgamated with Richmond. This school was referred to as the "Kaha Iskole" by some and "Pin Iskole (පින් ඉස්කෝලෙ )" meaning Charity school by others has been in existence from the time the Missionaries established a learning seat on Richmond Hill. During this period, considerable expansion and change had to take place to cater to the new situation. Richmond College faced the challenge of transition so successfully that the then Minister of Education commended Richmond on several occasions, describing it as a model institution among nationalised schools[citation needed]. Richmond College was one of the first schools in the island to start the teaching of Agriculture as a subject. In 1969, it became the first school in the country to start an Agricultural stream for the Advanced Level. In 1976, the College celebrated its centenary as "Galle High School and Richmond College" combined although in reality it was 162 years old. In terms of the provisions of the White Paper on Education, Richmond College was named as a National School in 1986. Past superintendents and principals[edit]The following are the heads of the school from 1876. The Founder
Principals - Galle High School (1876 to 1882)
Principals - Richmond College (1882 to 1962)
Principals since vesting with the government (1962 to date)
Notable alumni[edit]Presidents, Prime Ministers, Cabinet Ministers and Legislators[edit]
Prominent educationists[edit]
Prominent civil servants[edit]
Prominent musicians, dramatists and cinematographers[edit]
Prominent sportsmen and sports administrators[edit]
Medicine[edit]
External links[edit]Category:Educational institutions established in 1814 Category:Boys' schools in Sri Lanka Category:National schools in Sri Lanka Category:Schools in Galle Category:Schools with a Cadet Corps Category:Public schools in Sri Lanka * |
Discussion, please
[edit]Okay, I've extended the protection to a month - obviously three days is not going to be sufficient for dispute resolution here. Merely requesting your preferred version of the page isn't helpful; content is decided by consensus, and a huge chunk of text is basically undiscussable, and isn't going to be accepted by someone who's been reverting it. So let's all sit down at talk.
I know there are a lot of new editors here, so I'll invite you to read this tutorial.
Beyond that, note that without discussion, I can't really determine the nature of the dispute, so it's very difficult to make any recommendations to you on how to resolve your dispute. Everyone needs to articulate what they're objecting to. WilyD 07:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 22 September 2012
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replace the current jpg logo with a png version
File:Richmond College Crest.png Punsisinet (talk) 13:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Can't you read?
[edit]WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES MUST BE BASED ON REFERENCES FROM PUBLISHED RELIABLE SOURCES This isn't optional. Making 'edit requests' without sources is a complete and utter waste of time. Unless proper citable sources for the material already in the article can be found, the material is going to be deleted. Deal with this issue first, and then worry about changes. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)