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Bullying and sexual harrassment allegations

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I just want to express some disappointment with the fact that the allegations of racial abuse, bullying and sexual harrassment were removed from the article on the grounds of "Allegations of this nature require more than a self-published/primary source". The source was the allegations themsleves, which were made by credible and respected scientists who were demonstrably supervised by Reisz. Just because a news organisation hasn't picked it up doesn't mean it isn't worthy of inclusion - they probably only haven't picked it up because of how relatively obscure Reisz is in the public sphere. DJK (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Robert R. Reisz is a prominent and high-profile vertebrate paleontologist. Even if you despise him, describing him as a small time professer (sic) is a total crock of shit. I agree that without RS coverage, the bar for inclusion has not been met. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a paragraph quoting a professor as confirming the existence and outcome of the investigation against Reisz at [2], the official record of UT's University Affairs Board, which I think is more reliable than a student newspaper and a press release. But it is still a primary source rather than a secondary one, and "Professor Welsh said..." rather than the university itself publishing a statement that this all happened, so I don't think it's a very good source for a BLP. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I only noticed the talk page discussion after adding it back in. I would say that REVDEL is a pretty bad read because of UNDUE. The governing council's meeting report is similar to a government's summary of meeting minutes. Is it primary? Sure. Is it reliable? Oh yes. The fact that governing council mentioned the case and reference Varsity's publication, by name, confirms that Varsity's reporting is accurate. A combination of sources by Varsity and governing council's report would meet the threshold for verifiability. An academia's credibility hinges on being trustworthy and ethical. The outside investigator found not just sexual harassment allegation to be substantiated, but also academic misconduct around authorship. The credibility "house of cards" come crashing down if their credibility is gone (see Francesca Gino for related accusations). Reisz is an academic and these allegations took place while he was performing work duties. This crossed the bridge from UNDUE into DUE. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Those are the same sources already rejected repeatedly (see above). I've once again removed the material. EEng 02:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No they were not, since the official record of UT's University Affairs Board was added. 2A02:8109:9E00:3910:1094:83B8:CF33:1CC9 (talk) 07:57, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A primary source, which we can't use for an accusation like this. MrOllie (talk) 12:19, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I m sorry but how does that work. The claim being "The University conducted an investigation following allegations of misconduct" how can the record of an official meeting form the university where they acknowledge conducting this investigation not be a source? This is mind-boggling. 2A02:8109:9E00:3910:1094:83B8:CF33:1CC9 (talk) 13:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No it's not mind-boggling. What the (primary) source says is that
the University had received formal complaints of harassment and inappropriate supervisory conduct against Professor Robert Reisz from two former students, that the University had retained an external party to investigate the complaints in a fact-finding investigation, and that the investigation found that a number of the allegations were factually substantiated. She indicated that the University determined that on a number of occasions Prof. Reisz’s supervisory practices did not meet the standards expected of a University of Toronto faculty member and/or breached university policy.
Even if we accepted primary sources, formal complaints of harassment and inappropriate supervisory conduct .... a number of the allegations were factually substantiated is not ...
official complaint ... alleging sexual harassment and supervisory misconduct ... most of these allegations against Reisz were factually substantiated.
... which is the latest text that's been stuck into the article. EEng 15:55, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]