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Where is the picture?

Ethiopian-Irish

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http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/oscars-2017-ruth-negga-nominated-for-best-actress-award-1.2949162 First words Ethiopian-Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.177 (talk) 08:53, 25 January 2017 (UTC) http://m.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-features/ruth-negga-growing-up-i-didnt-feel-that-irish-people-were-colour-blind-35314939.html "She very much identifies as Ethiopian-Irish, and speaks fondly of Ethiopian Emperor Haille Selassie." http://www.vogue.com/13508701/ruth-negga-january-cover-loving-movie-interview/ "I’m always very careful to say I’m Irish-Ethiopian because I feel Ethiopian and I look Ethiopian and I am Ethiopian." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.177 (talk) 09:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This issue is not about her Ethiopian heritage or background. That is clearly indicated in the article. On wikipedia we generally avoid pointing towards somebody's ethnicity in the lede as that generally leads to a lot of edit-warring. Instead it focusses on where the person became notable and this is key (see this policy. In this case, Negga became notable in Ireland after her appearances in plays and movies there. For example, see Adam Clayton - his is considered Irish, despite being born in England. That is because he became notable while living in Ireland. Karst (talk) 10:02, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have read what you have linked to, and you seem to fail on the facts that, one she self identifies as such and two, it is reliably sourced. As BLP states all facts have to be sourced, and from two reliable sources and from herself it is clear. Also as she was born in Ethiopia she is Ethiopian unless you can show where she has given up her birth nationality, which as she defines herself as Ethiopian in the Vogue article is clearly not the case. Ethiopian and Irish, are her nationalities. Nobody mentions ethnicity other than you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.189 (talk) 10:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The policy clearly states that "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." The fact that she is a notable actress has nothing to do with the fact that she was born in Ethiopia. Her origin is a point of contention (see this article) in the Irish press. For that reason we need to follow the guidelines very strictly here - please see this Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_131#I_propose_greater_clarity_for_defining_.22when_nationality_and_ethnicity_is_relevant_to_a_persons_notability.22. As this is a high profile article due to the Oscar nomination I am calling on the admin @Postdlf: to glance over this case. Karst (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it is still a current nationality and how she is describing herself, not a former nationality is the reason it is included, and again it is even given in the box on the right of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.38 (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If she is a citizen of Ethiopia and Ireland, then her nationality is Ethiopian-Irish and it should be included in the lede. It's then not a question of ethnicity at all. Note the "if", I am not familiar with the facts on this subject and so taking her citizenship as an assumption here for purposes of the question. If she is not a citizen of Ethiopia, then one solution is to describe her as "Ethiopian-born Irish actress" in the lede, if consensus is that her country of birth is significant or relevant enough to include in the lede. postdlf (talk) 19:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that indicates that she has either Ethiopian or Irish citizenship. It is presumed based on her parentage. Facts are that she was born in Ethiopia, fled the country with her mother aged 4. She lived in Ireland until she was 11 and moved to Britain with her mother. This means that theoretically, she could either hold British, Irish or Ethiopian citizenship. None of these three are referenced in the article, again it is presumed. Any search only throws up further confusion as highlighted by the Irish Times article I noted earlier. Taking that into account "Ethiopian-born Irish actress" is a suitable compromise. Karst (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
She was born in Ethiopia to an Ethiopian father, which gives an entitlement to Ethiopian citizenship, born to an Irish mother gives an entitlement to Irish citizenship. She moved back and forward from Ireland to the UK from 11; not an entitlement to British citizenship, not continually living there. She herself says Ethiopian- Irish. That opinion piece from the Irish Times is that just his opinion. So we are taking her word, as she probably knows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.95 (talk) 22:26, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Entitlement is not the same as having citizenship. The article has no references to this at all and you are speculating that she has the Ethiopian nationality. That she self-identifies as Ethiopian is not the same. As this is a BLP article we need to err on the side of caution and @Postdlf: compromise is one I think is suitable here. Karst (talk) 10:32, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes don't take their word for, make up your way forward. Did you not read that opinion piece you linked? That let's not force what our view is? Like you said we have to err on the sides caution and that would be to use their own words motor ours in their mouths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.128 (talk) 13:49, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Her birth country is irrelevant to her notability so shouldn't be listed in the lead. She has done all her notable activities in Ireland so that is the nationality identity that should be listed in intro sentence. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per Geraldo Perez, her notability was an actress was developed in Ireland, and per the first comment in this thread, she herself identifies as Ethiopian-Irish. I really feel this should not be a contentious issue; the lead should state that Negga is a "Ethiopian-Irish" actress. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:30, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethiopian-Irish is an ethnicity description, an Irish person of Ethiopian descent, and adding that goes against MOS:ETHNICITY. She did nothing notable in her first 4 years of life in Ethiopia so being from there is irrelevant to her notability. If her notable activities had spanned both countries we would list both. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough; reading MOS:ETHNICITY indeed would seem to indicate "Irish" should take precedence over Ethiopian based on the examples provided there. I would have thought the subject's own feeling on the matter should have some bearing on the matter, but per the examples of Isaac Asimov and Peter Lorre, it would seem like "Irish" as the sole descriptor might be the most accurate as Negga did not establish any notability in Ethiopia itself. CeltBrowne (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Awards and nominations page

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Hello,

Suggesting a page entitled, "List of awards and nominations received by Ruth Negga" due to her immense accolades in film, television and theatre. Thoughts?The One I Left (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the size of this article, a split is not appropriate. See WP:WHENSPLIT. It is better for small articles that content not be spread among multiple article as it makes it easier to maintain if everything related to a subject is on one article. Also readers don't need to go to multiple places for the info. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Birthday

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Date of birth may be incorrect. IMDb reports date of birth as 07 Jan 1982 174.224.167.131 (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb making mistakes like that is one of the reason we don't consider IMDb a reliable source in Wikipedia. Info in the article is well sourced using her words in an interview. IMDb is wrong. See WP:IMDB for more. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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