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Hatshepsut? Why?

What, exactly, is the relevance of hatshepsut? The fact that they are both women rulers from nearby places is not enough to include her here. By this logic, we must mention Rome in the introduction of the article in Paris, or apples in the introduction to the article about oranges.Jamshyd (talk) 12:36, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They were pretty rare, but I do agree 2602:306:3A6A:37B0:D8D9:DE02:209:BDCF (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)John Dee[reply]

Untitled

Current version looks like a copy of http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b1sammuramat.htm...could someone check? raylu 00:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that this article treat stuff that is better treated in the article Semiramis. This article should be about the historical queen of Assyria, and the other about the legendaric Semiramis. Summer Song 12:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; the historical Samurramat should be kept separated from the mythical Semiramis, as it is very far from certain that their is any sort of connection among the two.--Aldux 17:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. I'm not persuaded that Semiramis is a legendary version of this particular Shammuramat. The name is cognate but I wonder if it could be that this woman was named after an earlier woman known to history as Semiramis. Sources I'm familiar with seem to place Semiramis way earlier than Shammuramat. AlphabeticThing9 (talk) 00:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the two should be kept separate, and I am removing the merge suggestion. It was made when the two articles overlapped, which they no longer do. Bejnar 23:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thing is do we even know anything about this queen other then what's already mentioned? If so I'd like to know, unfortunately I doubt we know much, her being placed in the Dark Ages of Mesopotamia, whether or not she did anything that might have helped inspired the Greek Legend we really don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.234.42 (talk) 18:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shammuramat's background/heritage

I've just written Ivar Lissner's book about civilization. According to that book, Shammuramat was a Median princess who married to King of Babylon. Are there another sources to support it? Medea Mēdeia (talk) 21:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Removed info from Jim Reilly

There was an alternate chronology for her reign given from 809-792. The source that it's derived from is a complete revision of Egyptian chronology that puts the New Kingdom in the Iron Age, with the Amarna period and Ankhenaten in the 900's B.C. It's too fringe. https://web.archive.org/web/20120311175148/http://www.kent.net/DisplacedDynasties/Contestants_for_Syrian_Domination.html 2602:306:3A6A:37B0:D8D9:DE02:209:BDCF (talk) 02:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)John Dee[reply]

Spelling

This article is totally inconsistent on whether her name is spelt with an 'S' or an 'Sh' and the 'etymology' section does not explain. Furius (talk) 00:54, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 00:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reading now, comments follow soon. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shammuramat reached an unusually prominent position in the reign of her son – maybe add "for a woman" for clarity?

It is technically an unusually prominent position regardless; the only other non-king people to figure as prominently in official contexts were the later queen Naqi'a and a handful of influential officials, such as Shamshi-ilu. Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Upon her arrival to – "arrival in"?

Fixed. Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The tale of Semiramis's conflict with Armenia could perhaps derive from remembrance of the campaigns of her son – does "her" refer to Semiramis or Shammuramat?

Shammuramat, I've changed "her son" to "Adad-nirari". Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My biggest concern is that you repeatedly say "according to the legends" although it does not become clear if you refer to a particular source, or if this is the common narrative found in most of the variants.

IIRC most of the section is based on the account by Ctesias but I'll check the source soon again and verify. Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Ichthyovenator (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the legends, Semiramis's life comes to an end when she is killed by her son Ninyas, – from what follows it seems to become clear that this is only one of multiple variants of the legend?

It happens in quite a lot of the accounts, including Ctesias. The part that follows is just a weird justification for the murder added to the legend by some later authors. Ichthyovenator (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Optional: I think it would be nicer to read if the longer paragraphs in "Semiramis legend" are split.

Split the second one but I can't figure out a good way to split the first one (which all deals with the divine origins and Ashkelon). Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome and highly interesting article, thank you. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for reviewing! I'll try to fix the concerns with the section on the legend swiftly. Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jens Lallensack: I've addressed all the comments. Let me know if there is anything more that should be amended. Ichthyovenator (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, and congrats for the GA! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Ichthyovenator (talk) 23:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]