Talk:Silent Siren

Paid edit

Special:diff/Gibmul/812700947 -- Gibmul (talk) 10:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit per WP:PAY. The contents of your edit can be found in the link I added to your post. I also moved the {{Connected contributor (paid)}} template you added to its proper location and completed it to the best of my knowledge. Since you added the template with this edit, it is assumed that you are getting paid to "update" this article in the same manner as you have stated you are being paid to update Yoshiki (musician). So, please use the article talk page to request any changes you would like made per WP:COIREQ for anything other than a minor edit. This will give concerned editors and relevant WikiProjects, who are familiar with the subject matter and Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines, a chance to review your proposal and help fix anything problematic about it. You should also state who your employer is and who you are editing on the behalf of as clearly as possible as required by WP:PAID. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't see any POV problem in the above-mentioned edit. I think the text can be added back. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:59, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

So where in this ref do you find "Silent Siren are described as a band that plays "cool songs in cute costumes.", and how does that sentence further Wikipedia's mission to provide the public with articles that summarize accepted knowledge?

Do you find "Silent Siren has achieved an unbroken string of 12 singles and 3 albums in the Top 10 on the Oricon music charts" supported by this ref? Jytdog (talk) 05:10, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

"So where in this ref do you find "Silent Siren are described as a band that plays "cool songs in cute costumes.", and how does that sentence further Wikipedia's mission to provide the public with articles that summarize accepted knowledge?"
— At 1:17 in the video. Yes, in the context of Japanese culture I find this information definitely encyclopedic. (I would rephrase it as "they aim to play" or "they describe themselves as playing", though.)
"Do you find "Silent Siren has achieved an unbroken string of 12 singles and 3 albums in the Top 10 on the Oricon music charts" supported by this ref?"
—The reference supports the unbroken string of 12 singles. The unbroken string of 3 albums (actually 4, i.e. 3 studio albums and 1 compilation) is one click away: [1]. (No problem to find it if you are familiar with the site or can read katakana a little.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 05:46, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Good so you caught that they describe themselves as "girls that play cool songs in cute costumes". This is their marketing. Wikipedia not a vehicle for promotion per WP:PROMO.

The ref does not support "unbroken". It does not show (and would not show) singles or records that did not made the top ten. You would need to show a separate list of all their singles and all their records to demonstrate "unbroken" and the ref does not do that. Jytdog (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

"This is their marketing."
– In the context of Japanese culture, I don't think it's promotional. Read articles like "Kawaii" and "Japanese idol". That's what girl musicians do in Japan, they aim to be cute and cool at the same time. There's nothing extraordinary here. They simply described their intended style. (As a second thought, stuff like this should preferably have a third-party source. But I frankly don't see any problem with it even now.)
The Oricon ref would show (and shows) all the releases, including the ones that didn't make the top ten. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. It is great if Jpop blogs run with all this stuff - that is what they are for and what they do. Great for them. It is not what we do. We are an encyclopedia. Please review WP:NOT and especially WP:PROMO. This is policy. Jytdog (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I've already tried to explain to you that in the context of Japanese culture saying "We play cool songs in cute costumes" is no different from stating, say, "We play progressive rock/metal influenced by bands such as ..."
They simply explained what they aim for in their music and their on-stage image. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I think this might be acceptable content because this is a part of the branding of J-Pop girl bands like AKB48, etc., but I think it should be added as neutrally worded as possible perhaps in a specific section about the marketing/branding/image of the band and not in the lead as a quote. It should also mainly be supported by third-party sources, but a bandmember quote might be acceptable in secondary supporting context for further elaboration. Interviews, however, are primary sources and primary sources need to be used with care and we need to aware of WP:BLPSELFPUB. The article should not be so much what the band says about itself, but what reliable sources are saying about the band. Non-English reliable sources can be used, but context should be taken into account; it shouldn't be some fluffy PR piece or blurb, but something which at least gives the appearance of a critcial discussion of the band. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit for discussion

I am a paid editor and have been requested by the Silent Siren publicity agent to update their article. This is the update proposal -

====Origins====
Inspired by her older sister who became a vocalist in a band, Sumire Yoshida (Suu) began playing the piano in the 6th grade, and bought her first guitar in her second year of middle school. She formed an all-girl band in her first year of high school, and came to Tokyo to start modeling a year later. Hinako Umemura (Hinanchu) began playing violin at the age of five, continuing her lessons for 10 years while living in Hyogo prefecture, Tokyo, and a brief stay in Indonesia. She began modeling after her third year in high school ended.

Shortly after, she entered university and met Suu while they were both models working in Harajuku for CUTiE magazine. Aina Yamauchi (Ainyan) began playing bass in her second year of high school, inspired by seeing her older brother's live performance on bass guitar. When Silent Siren first began playing together as a group, they pooled their own pocket money to rent time in rehearsal studios. Suu described their early performances: “We started out in 2010 playing in front of five or six people, 10 if we were lucky. We were terrible early on and it was disheartening. It was our hobby, so we weren’t going to quit, but something had to change."

Yukako Kurosaka (Yukarun) joined the band in 2012. Yukarun had played the piano since grade school and also studied gymnastics in high school. “I knew the girls from modeling and was a fan of their music,” Yukarun says. “However, I was really nervous coming in as I’d never been in a group before."

====Career====
Known to their fans as "SaiSai", Silent Siren released their first single, Sweet Pop! on November 14, 2012, which reached number 23 on Oricon's singles chart, followed by Stella on February 20, 2013, which peaked at number 19. Bīsan, released August 14, 2013, was the band's first single to reach Oricon's Top 10, and their subsequent albums and singles through their most recent single Just Meet (2017) have achieved Top 10 status. Suu is the main lyrics writer, but all members contribute lyrics to the band's songs.

On July 31, 2014, Silent Siren played their first overseas live at Kowloonbay International Trade & Exhibition Centre MUSIC ZONE @E-Max in Hong Kong. That same month, Silent Siren was named one of MTV81's "Artists to Watch" and appeared in two of the website's feature interviews. On August 12, 2014, Silent Siren launched the "SaiSaiFes" music festival at Shinkiba Studio Coast. On October 24, 2014, SIlent Siren performed at VAMPS Halloween Party 2014. On December 28, 2016, Silent Siren made thier first appearance at Rockin On's Countdown Japan 14/15 music festival. On January 17, 2015, Silent Siren performed their first solo live at Nippon Budokan. Their sold-out performance at Budokan holds the record for the shortest time between a band's formation (4 years, 9 months, 16 days) and the presentation of a solo show at the famous Japanese venue. Silent Siren also holds the record for the shortest time after a major label debut (2 years, 2 months, 3 days).

Performing at Budokan had been a dream of all the band members since they began playing together, and part of that dream came true when Budokan was covered in pink by the fans clothing and decorations.

On February 24, 2015, Silent Siren released their self-titled third album Silent Siren, and performed over 20 shows around the world including Taiwan and Hong Kong as part of the "Silent Siren Live Tour 2015 Spring → Summer ～Siren vs Silent" world tour. In the summer of 2015, Silent Siren performed at multiple music festivals, including Rock in Japan Festival 2015, Summer Sonic 2015, and Tokyo Idol Festival 2015, where Yukarin also took part in collaboration performance of Passpo's Material Girl. On August 9, 2015, Silent Siren performed at Gelar Japang, the biggest annual Japanese festival in Indonesia, and returned on September 19, 2015, Silent Siren for a concert in Jakarta. On October 25, 2015 Silent Siren made their second appearance at VAMPS Halloween Party. On December 28, 2015, Silent Siren performed on the Cosmo Stage at Countdown Japan 15/16.

In 2016, Silent Siren launched their "Silent Siren S World Tour 2016", including stops in Indonesia, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and their first live concerts in the Unites States at J-Pop Summit in San Francisco and Musician's Institute in Los Angeles. On October 29, 2016, Silent Siren were invited for a third time as special performers at VAMPS Halloween Party 2016. On December 28, 2016, Silent Siren headlined the Moon Stage at Countdown Japan 16/17.

In 2017, Silent Siren began the "5th Anniversary World Tour “Shinsekai – The New World”, with 24 shows in Japan, including 2 back-to-back shows at Nippon Budokan, with stops in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Indonesia, and two shows in the United States at Slim's In San Francisco and Musician's Institute in Los Angeles.

====Multimedia====
In June 2014, Silent Siren released Lucky Girl, which was included in the Japanese release of the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic DVD collection. In September 2015, Silent Siren performed the ending theme "secret base ~Kimi ga Kuretamono~" for the live action adaptation of Anohana: The Flower We Saw That Day. In November 2015, Silent Siren released their 11th single, alarm, as the theme song for the Japanese television drama Someday Breakfast at Tiffany’s. The B-side tracks hikari and Kimi Suki Smile were chosen as the theme songs for the films Tsuugaku Densha and Tsuugaku Tochuu. In May 2017, their song Akane was featured as the ending theme of the TV drama series Final Fantasy XIV Hikari no Otoosan. In September 2017, Silent Siren was featured in large-scale billboards and displays in Shibuya and Ometesando Hills in Yahoo! Japan's "Follow Me" campaign, where fans could access special video content through Yahoo!'s smartphone app.

In October 2017, Silent Siren contributed the song Papaya Payapa to the 3D CG anime Onyankopon. Their single Just Meet, released October 11, 2017, was chosen as the theme song for the TBS TV program "King's Brunch".

====Fashion and hobbies====
Silent Siren chooses their own clothing for their live shows from shops in Harajuku. "Harajuku is full of individual styles," says Suu. "We wear a different design for each concert," adds Yukarin. "Amateur models spread their fashion through magazine shoots, and musicians spread their music through playing on stage. I think the two have something in common," states Ainyan.

In 2012, Silent Siren performed at Spinns Spring 2012 Fashion Show in Harajuku with Kyary Pamyu Pamyu. Silent Siren has collaborated with numerous fashion brands, including Crisp, Adidas Neo, Lodispotto, and Micoameri. Suu's favorite hobbies are watching anime and sightseeing. Hinanchu enjoys traveling. Yukarun's hobby is watching movies. Ainyan's hobbies include painting, sleeping, and taking photos of the other members.

References

Gibmul (talk) 12:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• I think the text is okay. It doesn't sound overly promotional. I think the text can be put back into the article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

This is too big a chunk to review at once. There is much content that is not supported by the sources or that is promotion. We do not need quotes - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan magazine. Please trim this down to encyclopedic content that provides high-level facts that are of enduring importance -- that might matter 10 years from now.

Please format all the sources properly - we strongly prefer that no bare URLs are used - please see WP:BAREURL Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) These four parts need sources:

Yukako Kurosaka (Yukarun) joined the band in 2012. Yukarun had played the piano since grade school and also studied gymnastics in high school. “I knew the girls from modeling and was a fan of their music,” Yukarun says. “However, I was really nervous coming in as I’d never been in a group before."

On January 17, 2015, Silent Siren performed their first solo live at Nippon Budokan. Their sold-out performance at Budokan holds the record for the shortest time between a band's formation (4 years, 9 months, 16 days) and the presentation of a solo show at the famous Japanese venue. Silent Siren also holds the record for the shortest time after a major label debut (2 years, 2 months, 3 days).

Silent Siren chooses their own clothing for their live shows from shops in Harajuku. "Harajuku is full of individual styles," says Suu. "We wear a different design for each concert," adds Yukarin. "Amateur models spread their fashion through magazine shoots, and musicians spread their music through playing on stage. I think the two have something in common," states Ainyan.

Silent Siren has collaborated with numerous fashion brands, including Crisp, Adidas Neo, Lodispotto, and Micoameri. Suu's favorite hobbies are watching anime and sightseeing. Hinanchu enjoys traveling. Yukarun's hobby is watching movies. Ainyan's hobbies include painting, sleeping, and taking photos of the other members.

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• Especially the second one cause it says that the group has set a unique record of some sort. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Comment: Just a general comment about making requests. It tends to be better to break up requests into smaller more manageable pieces to make it easier for others to review. This might seem counter-intuitive and time consuming, but try and remember that all editors are volunteers. Editors who work on responding to edit requests might be a little less willing to spend tons of time reading through a wall of text and checking a number of reliable sources, if they figure they could answer multiple other requests in the same amount of time. It's also better to reword the requests as "Change X to Y" or "Add this sentence to this section" or even "Add this section between this and this". Your request contains lots of detail, but it's not clear if this is all new material to be added or current content to be update. If it's new material, it's not clear where it's intended to be added.

Also, in general, it's not a good idea to use the section heading markup in your request, better just to say "Create new section named 'ABC' which includes the following content". The software doesn't know that this is a request, so it treats the section headings just as it would treat any other section created on this page. This might cause some unwanted confusion and further delay a response.

Finally, adding references is important for verification purposes, but a talk page doesn't typically have a "References" section, so anything added using the <ref></ref> markup is going to be pushed to the bottom of the page. This might not seem to be a big deal, but if someone adds any new comments to the edit request thread or opens a new completely unrelated section, the references will keep being pushed to the bottom of the page. So, it's better to use something like Template:Reflist-talk or simply add the references inline between single brackets like [http://www.example.com] (looks like this [2] in the request) to ensure they always remain near the relevant discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

This has been superceded by the request below. marked declined. Jytdog (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

"Members" section

The content in the members is completely unsourced and only Sumire Yoshida has an article (which is also not very well sourced). Real names, dates of birth, etc. need to be sourced per WP:BLPPRIVACY; otherwise, that content can be removed. I wasn't able to find anything in the Japanese Wikipedia articles which might be used, but if there and it's reliable than it can be used here. Japanese Wikipedia, however, does not seem to exhibit the same rigorous BLP/RS standards that English Wikipedia at leasts tries to maintain, so I wouldn't automatically assume that every source used in that article is acceptable for this article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:03, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• I've referenced the infomation on the current members. (I think more can be found in older revisions of the pages I used as sources. I mean someone should look on Web.archive.org, etc.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Request edit

Career

Known to their fans as "SaiSai", Silent Siren released their first single, Sweet Pop! on November 14, 2012, which reached number 23 on Oricon's singles chart, followed by Stella on February 20, 2013, which peaked at number 19. Bīsan, released August 14, 2013.["Single Sales ranking". Orocon News. Retrieved December 13 2017] Suu is the main lyrics writer, but all members contribute lyrics to the band's songs.["MOSHI MOSHI Interview". Moshi Moshi Nippon. Retrieved November 27 2017]

On July 31, 2014, Silent Siren played their first overseas live at Kowloonbay International Trade & Exhibition Centre MUSIC ZONE @E-Max in Hong Kong. That same month, Silent Siren was named one of MTV81's "Artists to Watch".["Artists to Watch - Silent Siren". MTV81]

On August 12, 2014, Silent Siren launched the "SaiSaiFes" music festival at Shinkiba Studio Coast.[3]

On October 24, 2014, SIlent Siren performed at VAMPS Halloween Party 2014.["VAMPS Halloween Party 2014". Barks. October 27 2014. Retrieved November 24 2017]

On January 17, 2015, Silent Siren performed their first solo live at Nippon Budokan. Their sold-out performance at Budokan holds the record for the shortest time between a band's formation (4 years, 9 months, 16 days) and the presentation of a solo show at the famous Japanese venue. Silent Siren also holds the record for the shortest time after a major label debut (2 years, 2 months, 3 days).

Performing at Budokan had been a dream of all the band members since they began playing together, and part of that dream came true when Budokan was covered in pink by the fans clothing and decorations.["Silent Siren realizes a dream, in the Budokan's one man at the pink in the venue". Natalie. January 18 2015. Retrieved November 27 2017]

On February 24, 2015, Silent Siren released their self-titled third album Silent Siren, and performed 20 shows around the world including Taiwan and Hong Kong as part of the "Silent Siren Live Tour 2015 Spring → Summer ～Siren vs Silent" world tour. In the summer of 2015, Silent Siren performed at multiple music festivals, including Rock in Japan Festival 2015, Summer Sonic 2015, and Tokyo Idol Festival 2015, where Yukarin also took part in collaboration performance of Passpo's Material Girl. On August 9, 2015, Silent Siren performed at Gelar Japang, the biggest annual Japanese festival in Indonesia,["Silent Siren Stuns at Indonesia's Gelar Jepang 21 with WakuWaku Japan". Jpopasia. August 23 2015. Retrieved November 27 2017] and returned on September 19, 2015, Silent Siren for a concert in Jakarta.["Silent Siren Live in Jakarta". Jpopasia. September 24 2015. Retrieved November 27 2017]

On October 25, 2015 Silent Siren made their second appearance at VAMPS Halloween Party.["Halloween Party 2015 Line Up". Retrieved November 27 2017] On December 28, 2015, Silent Siren performed on the Cosmo Stage at Countdown Japan 15/16.["Full-powered sprint engraving growth as a live band!". Rockinon. Retrieved November 27 2017]

In 2016, Silent Siren launched their "Silent Siren S World Tour 2016",["Moshi Moshi Nippon interview". Moshi Moshi Nippon. May 30 2016. Retrieved November 24 2017] including stops in Indonesia, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong["Silent Siren to hold their First-Ever Overseas Performance in Hong Kong!". Tokyo Girls Update. April 30 2016. Retrieved November 24 2017], and their first live concerts in the Unites States at J-Pop Summit in San Francisco and Musician's Institute in Los Angeles.["Silent Siren makes some noise". Tokyo Journal. October 17 2016. Retrieved November 24 2017] On October 29, 2016, Silent Siren were invited for a third time as performers at VAMPS Halloween Party 2016.["VAMPS Halloween event in Silent Siren, AKi, Junji". Natalie. September 8 2016. Retrieved November 27 2017</ref> On December 28, 2016, Silent Siren headlined the Moon Stage at Countdown Japan 16/17.<ref>"Go to Paradise with colorful rock Go!". Rockinon. Retrieved November 27 2017]

In 2017, Silent Siren began the "5th Anniversary World Tour “Shinsekai – The New World”, with 24 shows in Japan, including 2 back-to-back shows at Nippon Budokan, with stops in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Indonesia, and two shows in the United States at Slim's In San Francisco and Musician's Institute in Los Angeles.["An Interview with Silent Siren at the 2016 J-Pop Summit". Wilfredo Ramos, Nihongogo. August 19 2016. Retrieved November 24 2017] Gibmul (talk) 15:14, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for posting a tighter version, User:Gibmul. I don't think anybody is going to volunteer time to format citations to help you get paid. Right? Perhaps you want to fix them? (there is a very easy to use tool in the tool bar of the top of the editing window. On the right, it says "Cite" and there is a little triangle next to it. If you click the triangle, another menu appears below. On the left side of the new menu bar, you will see "Templates". If you select (for example) "Cite news", you can fill in the "url" field, and then if you click the little magnifying glass next to the field, the whole thing will auto-fill. Sometimes it doesn't catch some things and you have to fill in those fields manually (very often, on non-English websites) - but you should always catch the author, date, publisher, title, and of course the URL. The "access date" isn't necessary for sources that have a date line - we just need that if the reference is to a website that doesn't have a dateline. When you have the necessary fields entered, just click "insert citation" and the tool puts the formatted citation where ever the cursor was. Takes about 30 seconds.) Jytdog (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip, I'll certainly try it. Regarding the edits - so far nobody has offered an opinion on my latest offering. Should I just insert them into the article or give it more time. 31.148.219.35 (talk) 07:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Declined If you have a conflict of interest, then major information should not be added to the article yourself. For us to consider it expeditiously, the information ought to be complete. This includes ensuring that properly formatted references are added, which will expedite your request. Directions on where and how the information is to be placed should accompany your request as well. I'm seeing a lot of various texts here, but with no simple way of determining at a glance where the information is to go, or how it is to be placed. Is this text meant to replace what is shown in the article, which is mainly infoboxes, or is it meant to compliment the information? If it's meant to be placed in the article, where in the article should it be placed? The text seems to include mostly dates and locations. If it's meant to be placed into boxes, which boxes are to contain which parts of the information? Please advise.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  21:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The text I have offered is intended to stand under a new heading of Career. It would be placed above the heading Members. Gibmul (talk) 10:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit request 20-DEC-2017

I would like to add the two singles mentioned below to the Discography section to bring it up to date.

13		May 24, 2017 (2017-05-24)	8
14	Just Meet ((ジャストミート))	October 11, 2017 (2017-10-11)	6

Thank you. Gibmul (talk) 11:49, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented Although no reference was provided, the 2 singles were added. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 13:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Reference for Akane is ["Akane ranking". Oricon News] and the reference for Just Meet is ["Just Meet ranking". Oricon News]

Gibmul (talk) 17:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Can the Top Position of No. 6 be added for the song Just Meet. 12:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibmul (talk • contribs)

Edit request 02-Jan-2018

I have been trying to add some text to this article for some time. I do feel that this short section titled History is in need of insertion. Gibmul (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

HISTORY

Known to their fans as "SaiSai" ["Silent Siren make some noise". Tokyo Journal. October 17 2016. Retrieved January 1 2018]. Silent Siren released their first single, “Sweet Pop!” on November 14, 2012, and have reached Oricon's Top 10 with 12 singles and 2 albums. ["Oricon Latest News". Oricon News. Retrieved January 1 2018] On January 17, 2015, Silent Siren performed their first solo live at Nippon Budokan.["Silent Siren realizes a dream, in the Budokan's one man at the pink in the venue". Natalie Music News. January 18 2015. Retrieved January 2 2018]

In 2016, Silent Siren launched "Silent Siren S World Tour 2016", including Indonesia, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and live concerts in the United States.["Silent Siren World Touyr 2016". Jame World. September 30 2016. Retrieved January 2 2018]

In 2017, Silent Siren began their 5th Anniversary World Tour “Shinsekai – The New World”, with 24 shows in Japan and stops in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Indonesia, and the United States.["Silent Siren adds California dates to 5th Anniversary World Tour". J Rock 247. July 31 2017. Retrieved January 2 2018]

Gibmul (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

AiSuu

https://cevio.fandom.com/wiki/AiSuu Some vocal synth connected news 47.189.13.184 (talk) 06:28, 26 December 2022 (UTC)