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Peg Solitaire[edit]

Solitaire is also a name of a game played with pegs and holes in the shape of a cross: perhaps the card game should be moved to Card Game, and an entry on Solitaire put here? Dave McKee

Or perhaps move the peg game to peg solitaire?

Which is the more common usage over the world as a whole? ~~~~ 15:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Although both Patience and Solitaire are actually the same stuff, the word Patience applies only to countries which use British English (such as the UK and Australia). Furthermore, its most popular variant has an alternative name of Solitaire.
According to the style guide section on National varieties of English under Opportunities for commonality "Use an unambiguous word or phrase in preference to one that is ambiguous because of national differences. For example, use alternative route (or even other route) rather than alternate route, since alternate may mean only "alternating" to a British English speaker."
In some English speaking countries solitaire is ambiguous and could mean either peg solitaire or patience. Under this guideline this page should be moved to patience and replaced with either peg solitaire or a disambig. Anyone agreeing please go ahead and move the page. (talk) 13:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
There are many single player board games referred to as solitaire, maybe it would be better if this paged just described solitaire games as games (usually board or card games) which have a single player and have links to the various games known as solitaire, this page could be renamed patience or Solitaire(Card Game)-- (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Since "Patience" is defined as "Solitaire with Cards", I've moved all the card-specific content to Patience (game), and repurposed this article to be about solitaire tabletop games in general.
-- TimNelson (talk) 06:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

List of Solitaire Card Games?[edit]

Shouldn't there be a list of card games for one here? (talk) 12:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Was there anything wrong with searching WP to see if such an article exists? — Smjg (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

This is really a disambiguation page[edit]

This article is primarily about one thing: the term "solitaire" as it relates to games.

OK, so it has a general meaning in relation to games: tabletop games played by a single person. But there isn't any real information here that relates to solitaire games in general. It's mostly little bits about the card subgenre and specific solitaire games - information that belongs in the respective articles.

As such, this article is redundant. Its only real purpose is to distinguish the various games that may be known as "solitaire". This is the purpose of disambiguation pages. Since we already have Solitaire (disambiguation), I just redirected this there. I can't see that anything has been gained by reverting my change.

Moreover, I changed Solitaire (disambiguation) to list the more specific uses that are given here. That has been reverted along with this. To what benefit? Somebody looking for meanings of "solitaire" is unlikely to be looking for an article with little information content like this one. They are more likely to be looking for peg solitaire or patience (game) - so why not just lead them there? Of course, they might be looking for information on solitaire games in general, but this article would need a major rewrite to fulfil that purpose.

As such, I remain inclined to cut out this middleman. — Smjg (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

OTOH, this is really an article about a class of thing, and a valid link target. Disambiguation pages are not valid link targets. If there is consensus to delete this article is deleted (through an AFD discussion), then rather than redirecting to the dab page (as a WP:MALPLACED dab), the dab page should be moved here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
There is no reason to redirect this page to a disambig page, so the previous redirect was in error. I have no opinion about whether this page should be an article or a diambig page, but under no circumstances should it be redirected somewhere else. 2005 (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
But it doesn't contain any significant information beyond a dictionary definition about this class of thing as a whole, hence my point. So it's a bit like a "bird" article that's simply "A bird is an animal with feathers" followed by a list of kinds of bird. — Smjg (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Except that Bird is not a dab. If you're saying that the base article could be expanded, like Bird has been, then I agree. -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm not claiming anything about the actual Bird article here or its history - I just contrived this example to illustrate my point. But if you can expand this article, by all means do. Just don't pretend it's good as it is. Meanwhile, I've marked it as a stub. — Smjg (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Right, if I can, I will. If you can, by all means do. Just don't pretend that I'm pretending it's good. Marking it as a stub is fine. Being a stub, needing expansion, and simply "not being good" are not reasons for deletion. See WP:DP and WP:DEMOLISH. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

US usage[edit]

"In the USA, it may refer to any card game played by oneself"

Really? This statement seems to assume Windows operating system has had no cultural impact on the US culture. --Bxj (talk) 03:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

How do you mean? — Smjg (talk) 12:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, not sure what the individual means. US usage influenced Windows naming of their "solitaire" game, not the other way around. In the US, if one says "I'm playing solitaire", it is automatically assumed it's the card game. The name "patience" is generally unheard of. Eastcote (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Patience -> Solitaire merger[edit]

Why did the article on Patience get deleted and redirect to Solitaire?

This Solitaire page is a stub without any references, yet the Patience page had References.

Terrible American centrism. Dlpkbr (talk)