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Birth name controversy

The page as should be edit protective to prevent possible vandalism? please do help Saifullah.vguj (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I notice that an alleged birth name "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" has been added. This is not the first name time this claim has been made. The last time, it was:

The first time this kind of thing happened was in 2004-2005:

The talk page archives have an exchange Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 3#Real Name?, where it has been said that this was a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found.

I don't regard the new Free Press Journal article as a reliable source because, firstly WP:NEWSORGs are only reliable for news, not for historical matters, and secondly the article is simply reporting that Britannica says X and the BBC News says Y. So, nothing useful comes out of this citation. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. The FPJ source simply states what other websites are saying. This could very well have been a case of one single website/journalist picking up the name from wiki (around the mid-2000s) and the others following suit. That's possibly how it also ended up on the (February 2008) Britannica article or wherever. No erudition or books refer to her using the Antonia name. This is one of the few pre-2006 source talking about her name and the one that they use is Sonia. VedantTalk 11:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Kautilya3, I found many results online for the name, "Antonia Maino", but is there any reliable source for the Antonia Maino name which can be used in this article or are you totally against the use of that name (I observed that you have been removing that name repeatedly)? Venue9 (talk) 03:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Venu9, it seems that you are not reading the above discussion with a clear head and understanding what it says. I have put it in bold face for you now.-- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
RegentsPark, Vanamonde93, according to the arguments of Kautilya3 above and in the next section, the name, "Antonia Maino" was a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found. However, many sources can be found which prove that Sonia Gandhi's original name is Antonia Maino [right now]. Some sources like Encyclopaedia Britannica and "free press journal" have been rejected as sources although they have been cited as references in other Wikipedia articles. Now please tell me how to add this original name of "Antonia Maino" to this article? Venue9 (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I think I have found the origin of the two names that are being bandied about:

  • The name "Antonia Maino" was apparently revealed (if that is the correct word) by Jayalalithaa, in a press conference in 2002.[1]
  • The name "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" was cretead by Javier Moro in a "fictionalised biography" called Red Sari.[2]

So, at least we know that Wikipedia did not generate this hoax. I am relieved. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

And I believe both the names are fictitious. An Outlook reporter, who interviewed Sonia Gandhi's father in 1977, had no hint that she had any name other than "Sonia".[3] -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Kautilya3, So do you think we still need to redirect names such as Antonia maino, Antonia Maino, Sonia Maino, Edvige Antonia Albina Maino, Edvige Antonia Albina Màino, Antonia Màino to Sonia Gandhi?- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 09:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Akhiljaxxn, Sonia Maino is fine as it is her maiden name. All the others should go. The spread of this hoax has reached frightening proportions. So please do nominate them for deletion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Priya Sahgal, Original Article: Jaya's tirade against Sonia's Italian background warms the cockles of the swadeshi brigade More Coverage, Outlook, 16 September 2002.
  2. ^ Jason Burke, Sonia Gandhi book finally released after decline of India’s Congress party, The Guardian, 23 January 2015.
  3. ^ Jawid Laiq, Meeting Mr Maino, Outlook, 23 February 1998. Direct quote from her father: "After Sonia's marriage, everyone thinks we have got rich. But the marriage has been an expensive thing for us."

Alleged sources

User blocked. Close discussion

You have to find a reliable source published before 2004, before the Wikipedia HOAX was generated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Kautilya3, I found 3 reliable sources:-
* S. R. ET AL. BAKSHI (1998) Sonia Gandhi, The President of AICC South Asia Books. ISBN 8170249880
* Rupa Chaterjee (1999) Sonia Gandhi: The Lady in Shadow Butala. ISBN 8187277025
* C. Rupa, Rupa Chaterjee (2000) Sonia Mystique South Asia Books. ISBN 8185870241
Can we add her original name (Edvige Antonia Albina Maino) to this article now?Venue9 (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

You haven't said what these people say. Please provide page numbers and quotations. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

They say that her original name is "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino". In the first reference cited, it is on page 15, in the second reference cited, it is on page 9 and in the 3rd reference cited, it is on page 10.Venue9 (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Quotation: "Her original name is "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino".Venue9 (talk) 03:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed the first source, and it failed the verification.- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 06:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Akhiljaxxn, can you search with just the name Antonia? Please also confirm the exact name and page numbers in the other 2 sources. Thanks.Venue9 (talk) 07:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
There is no mention of any Maino name on page 15 that you mentioned. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I copied those references from [here].
Pg.117 of "Sonia Gandhi" by Arun Bhanot, Mahesh Sharma says, "But she applied for Indian citizenship by the original name of Antonia Maino" Venue9 (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Pg.45 of "Silver Linings" by Nikila Srinivasan says "Born into an Italian family as Antonia Maino......"Venue9 (talk) 07:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Pg.8 of "Assembly Elections, 2003, Parliamentary Elections, 2004: Implications" says "What has catalysed the turnaround seems to have more to do with plain politics than the realisation that Gandhi, born Antonia Maino in Turin in Italy....."Venue9 (talk) 07:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Pg.13 of "Janata, Volume 57" says, ".....only Sonia Gandhi ( nee resurgence , it is because of the acts people - centric government will Antonia Maino )....."Venue9 (talk) 08:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
​​I think you got what I am trying to say - there are many sources we can use.Venue9 (talk) 08:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, since you have been misrepresenting sources, we can't take you seriously any more. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
​​​​​​​Kautilya, I am new here, so if it seemed like that, I am sorry. You say, "So, at least we know that Wikipedia did not generate this hoax. I am relieved", so it should be OK to add her original name to this article now citing the reliable sources above, right?
We can also use the Encyclopedia Britannica, at https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sonia-Gandhi now.Venue9 (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Venue9 First let me tell you here is wikiwand, a mirror/sister site. So, it seems like its wiki generated hoax, after all those citations does not mention any such thing as mentioned by Akhiljaxxn. I just wonder if Tavleen Singh ever mentioned such in her books or any article column. Let me know if any one able to get such. For such thing RTI would be a great option for those who are claiming such, I wonder why till now they did not file any. Dey subrata (talk) 10:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
That is very interesting. This wikiwand page gives just the lead and the three books produced by Venue9. But its Google translate [1] gives essentially our page. Is Google playing tricks on us? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
The Italian Wiki page has been created in 2018 with the fictitious name in the lead. Perhaps Akhiljaxxn can take care of it? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I think the Wikiwand page given by Venue9 is a mirror of Catalan Wikipedia], which I edited a few hours ago.- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 12:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
​​​​​​​​Kautilya, you say, "So, at least we know that Wikipedia did not generate this hoax. I am relieved", so it should be OK to add her original name to this article now citing the reliable sources above, right?Venue9 (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
She even got her Citizenship of India by signing her Citizenship certificate as Antonia Maino Gandhi.[1][2]" Venue9 (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Name change: Court refuses to direct police to lodge FIR against Sonia Gandhi". Bennett, Coleman & Co. Ltd. 16 May 2020. Retrieved 2020-05-03.
  2. ^ "Name change: Court refuses to direct police to lodge FIR against Sonia Gandhi". Outlook Publishing India Pvt. Ltd. 16 May 2020. Retrieved 2020-05-03.

Venue9, thanks for this citation. It actually tells you that the whole thing is a bogus one. All that written, is what the complainant said, the citizenship certificate, the signature. Court is not saying anything about if its her or someone else. The megistrate just commented on accepting or rejecting the plea not what her name is. Dey subrata (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, This is the case those reports were about. It says she got her Citizenship of India by signing her Citizenship certificate as Antonia Maino Gandhi. Please also read all the citations above.Venue9 (talk) 18:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Sonia is not her real name!Venue9 (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Those are claims made by the petitioners. They have never been proved. They are not reliable sources for Wikipedia. Presumably, if the court admitted the petition, we might have known the truth or falsity of those claims. But now we don't know. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Kautilya3, Dey subrata, I have cited 5-6 references above, including the Encyclopedia Britannica for the original name, "Antonia Maino". Kautilya3 said there is no wiki generated hoax, so please accept at least one of the above sources as reliable for the original name.Venue9 (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Britannica was considered a well established WP:RS so far, just a comment, but admins will know better if the policies have changed or reinterpreted. Capankajsmilyo(Talk | Infobox assistance) 19:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Redirected from RfD

I've been directed here from RfD, anyone interested in participating there please note that a number of assertions made in this talk page (in the section above) can be shown to be false by simple googling. If you are interesting in stopping hoaxes please don't repeat misinformation yourself. Note the the following:

  1. There is no evidence that it is a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found. Google search shows a number of sources mentioning the name Antonia Maino - e.g. this one from 2003 [2] before any such edit on that appeared in 2004 in Wikipedia.
  2. There is no evidence that the name "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" was cretead by Javier Moro in a "fictionalised biography" called Red Sari, given that the name appeared in a 2007 book [3] before Red Sari was published in 2008.
  3. No evidence has been provided that her political opponents invented the name Antonia Maino, the fact that they used her foreignness to attack her may be evidence of xenophobia possibly racism, but not hoax. Please provide proof if you want to say that it is a hoax they had concocted. Hzh (talk) 11:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hzh, I suggest you read the existing discussion first before making new comments. Please note also that evidence is not asked for something being a hoax. Rather, on Wikipedia, evidence is asked for reliability of information. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I have read the discussion, given that the quotes I gave are from the discussion above. The fact that editors claimed that this is a hoax while making assertions easily debunked by googling suggest that there is no solid foundation for such claim. Hzh (talk) 12:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok, if not the fictionalised biography, it gets generated in some political circles, gets inserted into Wikipedia (3 July 2006), then gets copied by newspapers, and then circulates. It doesn't matter. We are looking for reliable information from somebody who knows what he/she is talking about, and tells us where the information comes from. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
There is no evidence that its her birth name. there is no official document to prove such. For such a controversial topic one cannot just add because someone wrote a line in a book and did not mention its source in it bibliography or appendix. Anyone if can bring something official documents or records then we can talk on serious note. Dey subrata (talk) 12:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Rashid Kidwai wrote a biography of Sonia Gandhi, which is unfortunately not previewed in Google Books. But there is a successor book 24 Akbar Road, which says:

* Russia was the reason Stephano Maino called his daughter Sonia. Stephano had been captured and detained as a prisoner-of-war for several years in the towns of Vladimir and Suzdal till three Russian women, Nadia, Anushka and Sonia, reportedly helped him escape. Little wonder then that he gave his three daughters Russian names in honour of the campaign in which he fought.[1]

This is fairly clear and should put the controversy to rest. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

It isn't a proof of any sort, simply different story told by different writers (see the use of the word "reportedly", I've read the same story elsewhere). Given that this is such a controversy, you would think that there must be plenty of sources that would specifically debunk this "hoax", that there isn't speaks volume. I think the suggestion that "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" was a hoax first added on Wikipedia is something that deserves investigation, perhaps involving the admins. Because, if true, it appears to have fooled even Encyclopedia Britannica when it only stayed in the article for maybe six months, and would be a spectacular example of Wikipedia spreading false biographical information. The media would certainly jump on it if you can show that this is indeed true. Hzh (talk) 13:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@Hzh:, apparently we don't have evidence of hoaxes or that her name at birth was what you suggest above. What we do have is a very solid policy on what sorts of things are allowed and not allowed in biographies of living persons. I suggest you back out of this conversation unless you have very solid reliable sources because, even on a talk page, this tendentious name bombing is a violation of that policy. --regentspark (comment) 14:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Tendentious name bombing is a new one for me, can you point to a specific policy or guidelines on that so that I can actually know what it is that I have been accused of? I'm only here because participants in RfD repeated false assertions made in this discussion, I am merely interested in people not spreading such misinformation into other areas in Wikipedia and has no interest in editing this article. Hzh (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
The relevant policy is already linked in my post above (WP:BLP)). Even a cursory scan of these talk pages shows that attempts to link Gandhi with some form of Edvige etc. is a common occurrence on these pages and, equally, that reliable sources for this name are scarce to non-existent. Perhaps you are acting in good faith, but it is never a bad idea to take a few minutes to familiarize yourself with the context surrounding a contentious issue. --regentspark (comment) 15:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
This is a discussion on the names, not a random discussion. Can you suggest how to discuss the names without actually mentioning them? Are you going to issue such a warning to everyone here and everyone who participated in RfD? Hzh (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Sigh. I thought this would be pretty clear but here is the telegraphic version. Read the talk pages. This has been discussed ad nauseum. Excessive discussion of this can be viewed as a BLP violation. So, please stop unless you have reliable sources. Thank you. --regentspark (comment) 15:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Then I would suggest you pin a note to the talk page that discussing the names may be prohibited, and shut it down when it comes up. You cannot expect other people to know there is any issue with such discussion especially editors are telling others in other places to come here and read the discussion. Hzh (talk) 15:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Kidwai, Rasheed (2013), 24 Akbar Road [Revised and Updated]: A Short History of the People behind the Fall and Rise of the Congress, Hachette India, ISBN 978-93-5009-373-3
Further evidence of propaganda. 12 April 2006 insertion of the name in wikipedia. And an external link of (a fake news website) of 2004 Here Jayalalitha's election propaganda of 2002. Dey subrata (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Supreme court case: The supposed name of Antonia Maino goes back to, and possibly originates in, the 1999 petition discussed in Hari Shanker Jain vs Sonia Gandhi, 2001 in which the petitioners alleged that Sonia Gandhi's name was Antonia Maino, her marriage to Rajiv gandhi was null and void, her Indian citizenship invald etc. Writing for the court, Justice Ramesh Chandra Lahoti wrote, No basis or source of knowledge of all such averments is stated., and later, The petitions are hopelessly vague and completely bald in the allegations made, most of which could not possibly be within the personal knowledge of the petitioners but still verified as true to their knowledge, without indicating the source. etc. The case was dismissed but apparently the rumours persist. Abecedare (talk) 03:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
    • Abecedare, thanks for the comment, I would consider it the last nail in the coffin, once and for all. Dey subrata (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Reversion

Akhiljaxxn, I had cited reliable references for my additions to the article, so why did you remove them?-Dr2Rao (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn, I saw your reply on your talk pages, but it doesn't answer my question. I had cited reliable references for my additions to the article, so why did you remove them?-Dr2Rao (talk) 13:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
@Dr2Rao: Wikipedia is not an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of information. Perhaps you need to explain, with sources, why this "time to citizenship" information is not just a piece of trivia. --regentspark (comment) 15:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
RegentsPark, She had to give up her Italian citizenship to get her citizenship of India as neither country allowed dual citizenship at that time. She therefore avoided become a citizen of India for 16 years and was eventually forced to do so because of her Mother-in-law who was under political pressure. Please restore the sentences which Akhiljaxxn removed. Thanks!-Dr2Rao (talk) 15:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I have cited references for both sentences.-Dr2Rao (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
25 Cents FC has cited a reference for her unwillingness to give up Italian citizenship here.-Dr2Rao (talk) 15:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
(ec) Um. Please read WP:OR. Everything you write in your reply is a perfect example of that.--regentspark (comment) 15:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
RegentsPark, I have cited references right, so how can it be original research?-Dr2Rao (talk) 15:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
The only thing you've cited a reference for is the time to citizenship. All the other stuff, your justification for that duration, is OR.--regentspark (comment) 15:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
RegentsPark, the cited source for the first sentence does say she took 16years to become a citizen of India. The second source says what she signed her citizenship certificate as (Antonia Maino). Both the sources used are reliable! I have not added any sentence without a source.-Dr2Rao (talk) 16:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
As I explain above, the number of years someone takes to become a citizen is trivia and therefore will not be included. The name issue is addressed in the discussion that Akhiljaxxn referes to above. --regentspark (comment) 17:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

delhi Aicc president appointed satish bansal

congress Mail.minky (talk) 19:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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Request for Comments

Friends and fellow Wikipedians, RegentsPark just reverted my edit here. He asked me to get consensus for it, so please comment. Can we have those sentences in this article? I'd also like to know your thoughts on mentioning her real name, "Antonia Maino" in the lead since there are many sources online for it, including the Encyclopedia Britannica.-Dr2Rao (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The discussion already occurred at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 3#Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. The result of the discussion is delete "Antonia Maino" and related terms. Thank you.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 13:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
25 Cents FC, please comment about the two sentences that RegentsPark removed also. I invite others also​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ to comment.-Dr2Rao (talk) 15:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
For me, none of these sources, nor Britannica use the name or claim it as the birth name.Pincrete (talk) 15:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Support: If the Encyclopedia Britannica says her name is so and so, it should be mentioned here. I also support the addition of those 2 sentences but the sources used should be other than Republic TV.-1.186.208.250 (talk) 14:46, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Support the addition of her real name and those two sentences but Republic TV shouldn't be used as a source.--2402:8100:281E:377E:0:0:0:1 (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Seems like classic case of canvassing. User Dr2Rao just votestaking with the above invitation and this one here is enough to open a ANI I think. The two ip users comments seems like it's a case of stealth canvassing too. Let me make one thing clear, vote is not the way of making consensus, its the rationale which counts. Supreme Court made it very clear in the Hari Shankar vs Sonia Gandhi case, there is no basis of such claim and all official documents says Sonia not otherwise. Both the discussion Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 3#Edvige Antonia Albina Maino and Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 5 concluded well enough. I don't see any further discussion needed as new users bringing same citations again and again, nothing new than the previous discussions. Drat8sub (talk) 03:35, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Support considering her real name has been mentioned in Encyclopedia Britannica Idealigic (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
  • (Summoned by bot) Suggestion If the sentence is readded, it should probably be rephrased so that "In a big blow..." isn't included. That's not exactly neutral. Also, since YapperBot has taken over automatically notifying people of RfC discussions, it might be worth it to add RfCs to the right categories again; I've added this discussion to the "biographies" category. I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 08:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose (Summoned by bot) AFAI can see NONE of the sources claimed above gives this name - including Britannica, which does 'redirect' this name to Sonia G, but that proves nothing other than that they recognise it as a search. Has Britannica amended the name I wonder. Until sound sources are produced, I have to oppose and those that say above that "If Britannica uses it so should we" should be ignored, or even count as opposes. Pincrete (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Update the article

Pls add detail that she is a member of the 17th Lok Sabha from Uttar Pradesh and President of I. N. C.गहराई (talk) 14:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2020

She is now 74, not 73. Jhunter92 (talk) 00:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

 Already done The age template is automatic based off of their birth-date, sometimes it will show the wrong year on their birthday depending on time zones. — IVORK Talk 01:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2021

HER REAL NAME IS "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" . Finwww (talk) 21:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable source--RegentsPark (comment) 22:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Reversion

SpacemanSpiff, you reverted my edits here as you felt that the reference used is an opinion piece but I checked again and it doesn't say that it is an opinion piece, so please add her real name back.-Baamiyaan2 (talk) 19:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)Sockpuppet.VR talk 01:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@Baamiyaan2: I took a look at the citation and it is an obvious opinion piece - more of light humor actually. Stuff like "In my impressionable younger days, I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid" are an obvious giveaway. Unlikely to be fact checked and the author would likely have picked up the name from here (see the article history). --RegentsPark (comment) 20:34, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
RegentsPark, can we use this and say, "....... Antonia Maino according to Subramanian Swamy".-Baamiyaan2 (talk) 03:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Sockpuppet.VR talk 01:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
You've already been warned of BLP violations. —SpacemanSpiff 04:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
SpacemanSpiff, I am only asking for clarification. I did not revert your edit nor did I add anything yet. Swamy points out that "she is subject to the proviso under Section 5 of the Citizenship Act, a reciprocal ddisqualification to be the PM of the country since she is Italian" in the article I have linked to. Can we add, "Her birth name is Antonia Maino according to Subramanian Swamy" using the source linked to above?-Baamiyaan2 (talk) 04:37, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Sockpuppet.VR talk 01:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Since you're repeatedly bringing it up here instead of on your talk page, read through policies first and stop pushing your agenda. —SpacemanSpiff 04:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
SpacemanSpiff, please do not be so harsh. I am following all the rules I have learnt till now. If there are more, "policies" I need to know of, especially one that says a reversion should be brought up on a user's discussion/talk page and not on the article discussion/talk page, please share a link to those policies. Thank you. Can we add, "Her birth name is Antonia Maino according to Subramanian Swamy" using the source linked to above?--Baamiyaan2 (talk) 05:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Sockpuppet.VR talk 01:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Baamiyaan2 Subramanian Swamy is not a reliable source for the birth name of Sonia Gandhi. Maybe we can use him as a reliable source for the birth name of Gitanjali Swamy and Suhasini Haidar. For a prior discussion related to this please see this.— TheWikiholic (talk) 10:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
TheWikiholic, thanks for the clarification. I think you understand why I asked that question - the media and politicians of India keep bringing it up (Arnab Goswami et al). Hzh was the only one who came up with some source in that thread for that name but I think he and the other editors decided that Antonia Maino was not her birth name!-Baamiyaan2 (talk) 10:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Sockpuppet.VR talk 01:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2022

In the Personal Life section, please change

"In August 2011, she underwent successful surgery for cervical cancer in the United States at Memorial Sloan–Kettering Cancer Center in New York."

to

"In August 2011, she underwent successful surgery for cervical cancer in the United States at Memorial Sloan–Kettering Cancer Center in New York." Please add the Wikilink to spread awareness about the disease. 1.39.31.31 (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Name of Sonia Gandhi

@TheWikiholic recently removed Antonia from the article citing previous discussion. I am now very well aware of the discussion that took place at Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 5#Birth name controversy. But I want to bring everyone's kind attention to something that I saw on the internet. A very distinguished politician-cum-Supreme Court lawyer and long term parliamentarian of India Subramanian Swamy posted an image from his official Facebook handle. Many others too have posted the same image on various handles and is available on internet. I just want the community to kindly look at it and once again discuss whether Antonia Maino is her birth name or not. This might help.

A more clear image can be seen here

I know that I might be wrong or may be right but I want to get this thing clear. Shaan SenguptaTalk 07:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Subramanian Swamy is not a reliable source for the birth name of Sonia Gandhi. Maybe we can use him as a reliable source for the birth names of Gitanjali Swamy and Suhasini Haidar. TheWikiholic (talk) 11:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
@TheWikiholic That was a good one. But I didn't say that he is a reliable source. I just said the document shared by him and others on Internet should be verified. If correct then that is definitely reliable. Shaan SenguptaTalk 12:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2023

Wanted to add about her work for women reservation in India which current government is working on 117.201.227.129 (talk) 07:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 09:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2023

Information ref. his father: In October 1944, however, he played a major role in the kidnapping of Luigi Ronzani, an important fascist from Lusiana (who was later executed by the partisans). From then on he was also considered a partisan. SVS~itwiki (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A statement by his father isn't ideal, we're specifically looking for a published, reliable source. NotAGenious (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Mother

Died at 98, which is not really "about 90".

The cited article is inaccurate. If she did die at 90, she would have been a mother in her early to mid teens. 213.55.225.217 (talk) 15:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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