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I am an otherwise-neutral paid editor working on behalf of the subject of the page, who would like to see this biography brought up to "good article" standards. I am not a close colleague of the subject. I would like to know what I can do to improve the profile. Thank you!Wilsonpam (talk) 10:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wilsonpam: This does not require the assistance of an administrator. Please make the appropriate disclosure on your userpage as spelled out in WP:COI. BTW, it's unlikely that anyone will help you with such a broad question. You might try the WP:Teahouse on how to proceed with your job.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I have researched the subject using all available online sources and tightened the writing to attempt to make it more neutral and encyclopedic. Please review it to ensure that it meets wiki standards, and if so, please remove the maintenance template. If issues remain, please note them so that I can attend to them. Thank you.--Wilsonpam (talk) 20:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Wilsonpam. This is not a matter that requires administrator attention. You might care to read Wikipedia:Administrators, which delineates the extra technical abilities given to admins here; none of them are necessary here. You are welcome to use Template:Edit COI to request the removal of the tag, and a volunteer experienced with COI/paid editing will come along eventually. At a glance, some of the tone in §Academic Career is excessively promotional, and too much material is cited to Page's LinkedIn profile. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specific text to be added or removed: Please remove the maintenance template
Reason for the change: I have edited the page to try to meet standards of nonpromotional, well-sourced, and neutral. I am a paid editor hired through Upwork to clean up the page but did not previously know the page's subject.
References supporting change: See my edit history of the page and the page's credible references.
Thank you, Safari Scribe. After reading the WP:WTW page, I rephrased in two places, removing "pioneering" and "as an authority." Do I need to call for a willing editor, or can you review it again? Thank you. Wilsonpam (talk) 21:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specific text to be added or removed: any remaining text deemed promotional; I have rephrased in two places, removing "pioneering" and "as an authority."
This isn't a matter of tweaking a word here or there - this article is promotional throughout. This is unsurprising, because the whole thing is based on sources written by or affiliated with the article's subject. Truly independent sources need to be found _first_, and then the article needs to be rewritten based on what they say. - MrOllie (talk) 11:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specific text to be added or removed: Please remove the maintenance template
Reason for the change: I have re-edited the page and added more information from neutral third-party sources to meet Wikipedia standards of nonpromotional, well-sourced, and neutral language.
References supporting change: See my edit history of the page and the page's credible references, below.
In response to the comment from MrOllie on 3 July that "the whole thing is based on sources written by or affiliated with the article's subject. Truly independent sources need to be found _first_, and then the article needs to be rewritten based on what they say," I have searched high and low for the most neutral and independent sources existing in the public discourse about Stephen J. Page and have attached the list below. Otherwise, the numerous references authored by the subject are listed to illustrate and document his scholarship in various subject areas and publication in well-respected, peer-reviewed academic and medical journals; they are not self-promotional in any way.
The following references are not written by and do not originate from the article subject. They serve as impartial third-party secondary sources about him. They are from academic reviews, nonprofit sites, government sites, and institutional sites:
Ho, Yuh-Shan (2014-01-01). "Classic articles on social work field in Social Science Citation Index: a bibliometric analysis". Scientometrics. 98 (1): 137–155.
"2008 UC/21 President's Excellence Award: Stephen Page". 2008-05-12.
Kirschner, K (December 2001). "Ethical issues identified by rehabilitation clinicians". Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. 82 (12): S2–S8.
Lindsey, Heather. "Coming Back from Stroke". www.brainandlife.org.
Brown, Tes; Gutman, Sharon A.; Ho, Yuh-Shan (November 2017). "Highly Cited Occupational Therapy Articles in the Science Citation Index Expanded and Social Sciences Citation Index: A Bibliometric Analysis". The American Journal of Occupational Therapy. 71 (6): 7106300010p1–7106300010p11.
"The College of Wooster". The College of Wooster.
"Wooster Magazine Fall 2017 by The College of Wooster - Issuu". issuu.com. 15 November 2017.
"Stephen J. Page, Professor - eMedEvents". www.emedevents.com.
"AOTA and AOTF Award Recipients" American Occupational Therapy Foundation (AOTF).
"PAGE et al. Modified CIT". www.rehab.research.va.gov.
"Chronometry of Mentally Versus Physically Practiced Tasks in People With Stroke". research.aota.org. American Occupational Therapy Foundation (AOTF). November 2010.
"Stephen J. Page, Google Scholar".
"Stephen J. Page, The American Occupational Therapy Foundation (AOTF)".
"eLicense Ohio Professional Licensure System".
"Neurorecovery Unlimited, LLC".
"Stephen Page". American Congress of Rehabilitative Medicine (ACRM).
"First Certified Stroke Rehabilitation Specialist | Bayhealth | Bayhealth". www.bayhealth.org.
"Distinguished Member Award". American Congress of Rehabilitative Medicine (ACRM).
"Deborah Wilkerson Award". American Congress of Rehabilitative Medicine (ACRM).
"Bugher Foundation Past Awardees". American Heart Association.
Thank you for your continued consideration of removing the maintenance tag, which reflects upon an earlier article written in 2023 and hopefully not on the current article. All material in the current profile is factual and based upon impartial secondary sources, which are referenced.
Wilsonpam (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You added more promotion - you shouldn't be editing this article at all given your COI. And adding more promotion is certainly not a reason to remove the maintenance tag - if anything it only intensifies the issues here. Additionally, the citations in your list are obviously not independent. MrOllie (talk) 16:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, MrOllie. However, I am out of solutions here. As a PhD researcher (in a completely different field from Mr Page), I've read many Wikipedia profiles of scholars and researchers, and I don't see how this one is any more promotional than others. Academics gain their reputations based upon the acceptance of their publications by publishers and reputable research journals, and the number of peer citations indicates the degree to which their work is respected. Other than the above secondary sources from nonprofit institutions which provide support for Mr Page's awards and applaud his contribution to his field, few to no other sources are available, as is typical for most academics. I've tried to follow the same tone and include the same types of information as the profiles for some of his peers, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Rezai_(neurosurgeon) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_G._Levine. What else can be done? Thank you, respectfully, Pam Wilson Wilsonpam (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Other articles may not be policy compliant either - Wikipedia is a large site with a lot of work to do, and volunteer time is limited. If few to no other sources are available, then the answer is to either delete the article or cut it back to a stub (cuts to be made by someone without a COI). - MrOllie (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: The article still reads promotional, hence the tag. However, the tag can be removed when a willing editor rewrites and remove the promotional words. See WP:WTW also. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
