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Review of this page's history shows that reference to news articles about the person were repeatedly deleted, by the subject herself and later by another person. Her unexpected and unexplained resignation from the University of Maryland University College is part of the record. Restoring that information would make this more like a wikipedia article and less like a resume. I restored it several times myself and ran out of steam. Simplefact (talk) 09:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)simplefact — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simplefact (talk • contribs)
How is removing the record of three decades of accomplishments with some unsubstantiated, slandering references be an "encyclopedic" approach? I'd like to get in touch with the appropriate wikipedia administrators to share the context of this article in question. Meantime, I'm opting for removing the article all together or at least use a place holder for the article, while we reach a common middle ground that conforms to the high standards of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adil.faisal (talk • contribs) 04:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This article has a long history of interventions and additions of copyright material by editors apparently closely connected to the subject. As Adil.faisal is aware, this is currently under discussion at WP:COIN#Susan C. Aldridge. The description of the events surrounding Aldridge's unexplained resignation in 2012 is not unsubstantiated, but is supported by a rather large number of apparently reliable sources. When writing it after removing the copyvios, I was careful to remove from the article any fact that was not supported by those sources; I also asked a more experienced editor to review the text, and made one further change based on her advice. As for the three decades of achievements, they'd probably have some coverage in the article by now if the COI editors had refrained from adding non-encyclopaedic material copied from other websites. If anyone would like to suggest any reliable third-party sources (books, journal articles, coverage in national newspapers and so on) that discuss Aldridge, those could perhaps be used to expand the article. Removing the article is not an option; Aldridge is notable for the events of 2012, but also as former head of a major academic institution, per WP:Academic.
Thank you all for your comments. I am professionally connected to Dr. Susan Aldridge. My goal is to make sure that a balanced biographical information is presented in this article, while preserving the guidelines of [living person's biography]. I would love to collaborate with wiki admins to get this article achieve the balance it deserves. We would be referencing reliable third party sources to weave a narrative of Dr. Susan's biography. Most of these third party sources are referenced here, in case the wiki admins have any comment.
Question for wiki admins: Meanwhile, in case a blank page is not an option, can we replace the current version with this one?
Question to Justlettersandnumbers: do you have any personal or professional connection to the subject of the article in any way? If not, and if you are a wiki admin, I'd love to get your continued feedback on this till we get it right.
Thank you, Adil.faisal , for making clear your professional connection. That is most helpful, and should make it easier to move forward here. Your question to me is a fair one: no, I have no connection to Aldridge, and had never heard of her or indeed of University of Maryland University College until I read the posting here. And I am not an admin either, to my endless relief.
As an editor with a declared conflict of interest here, you are strongly advised not to edit the article directly, but are of course completely welcome at any time to make suggestions here, on this talkpage, for ways in which the article could be improved, as indeed you have already done. As I see it, the version you suggest restoring cannot be used as it appears to contain copyright material added to the article on 2 September 2010. The list of sources on Aldridge's webpage appears to contain some sources that could be used here, and several that probably should not be; since she was head of University of Maryland University College, articles about her published by that institution may be less than 100% impartial, for example. Blog sites are not normally admissible as sources. If you would like to suggest what neutral and non-promotional content might be added to the article, and mention at least one independent source that confirms each part of it, then I have no doubt that a disinterested editor will consider adding it. I have placed near the top of this page a template which, if you click where it says "click here", can be used to attract the attention of editors to an edit request of this kind. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
After reading this article regarding a U.S. Senator investigating the possible degrading of standards at this online university, I would say the subject is attempting to whitewash her Wikipedia article. There are a number of reliable sources that show that Aldridge's resignation in 2012 is a controversial and widely reported topic. The gatekeeping here needs to be replaced by a firm but fair review of Aldridge's doings, which are being questioned by notable scrutinizers. Jusdafax08:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That blog post appears to be based on the article in the Washington Post which is currently reference no. 4 in the article. The WP doesn't name the senator, presumably because he was acting not as an individual but as head of the Senate Education Committee. Do you think this is not adequately covered in the article as it stands? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard of any of this matter, as I don't live in the area, but after reading a couple of mainstream articles about the way Aldridge presided over this mostly online university, I would say remaining material just scratches the surface, meriting barely a stub rating. I have read some of the deleted material in previous versions of the article and am disturbed by the resume-like writing. The whole thing stinks and I have commented at the COI noticeboard to that effect. A couple paragraphs regarding Aldridge's career are in order at the very least, and then a section regarding her resignation and some history and updated material regarding this, what I have to call a scandal. Jusdafax09:40, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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@Menbong, are you asking why the article has a little "This article has multiple issues..." box with a warning icon next to it? If so, and you are on a mobile device, click on the "Learn more" button in the little box for further explanation. In this edit on 16 Feb 2024 the warnings were inserted by @Justlettersandnumbers. It is possible the article has progressed past the issues, I haven't checked it myself for policy adherence. Commander Keane (talk) 12:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am curious why there is a whole paragraph of derogatory material and so little about all that has occurred otherwise or since? This is someone who was President of the nation's largest university and is now president of another university. Why no focus on actual accomplishments vs innuendo about an episode more than a decade ago in which there were no actual charges or findings of some kind of guilt? Who is it who keeps these issues prominent and how is that consistent with Wikipedia policy? Omnity12 (talk) 16:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnity12 I only just noticed your question after you made the recent removal. I will try to link to some guidelines but in short it is up to fellow Wikipedians to keep articles in check. Wikipedia:Undue comes to mind, as does Wikipedia:PROPORTION. The material was seemingly added by @Keslambo recently. Wikipedia should reflect reliable sources when it comes to an article. Often newspaper articles are included, and generally sources on actual accomplishments are harder to come by. An alternative to removal would be to build up the rest of the article, admittedly that would take much effort. Not that it is in the best shape, but take a look at the Donald Trump article and try to find accomplishments, and see if no finding of guilt stops the mention of mentioning impeachments etc. Commander Keane (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been flagged for removal in the past based on deletion of negative information relative to this person's career. These pages should not be used as a CV or reflection of one's professional success but rather, these pages are used for information. This individual resigned under great criticism for their actions and that information both is and should be publicly available to neutral readers and researchers. Keslambo (talk) 13:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
