Talk:The Goodies (TV series)
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Creation of the article
This article has been created especially for the television series, in a similar way to the article for Monty Python’s Flying Circus television series being a separate article from the article for the Monty Python team.
I have transferred some information concerning the television series from the main article page for The Goodies, but, unfortunately, the credits for the people who wrote the transferred sections could not be transferred with the information they supplied. The acknowledgements and credits for their edits and donations of information will, however, continue to remain in connection with the main article. I hope that this is okay. Figaro 11:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Alternative episode titles
A few of the episodes are known by alternative names (eg Caught in the Act is also known as The Playgirl Club), should we list these alternatives as well? Clair 05:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Alternative titles have now been added to the main page, and also to those individual episode pages which have been created, which actually have alternative titles. Figaro 17:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- I should mention that there might be other alternative titles of which I am not aware (for instance, I did not know about the alternative title of "The Playgirl Club" for "Caught in the Act" before Clair wrote).
- If unlisted alternative titles for any of the episodes are known about, could you please make a note of them on this talk page so that they can be integrated into listing for alternative titles on the main page — or you might prefer to list the alternative titles within the section provided for them (A-Z of alternative titles), so that they will be able to link to the page with the equivalent episode title as listed in the Goodies episode table (situated immediately above the alternative titles section) — for example, alternative titles of "The Music Master" and "The Music Lovers" are expressed as: The Music Master and The Music Lover (with the page designation, on both titles, being exactly the same as the page designation for The Stolen Musicians). Thanks. Figaro 02:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me failry obvious that the reason that the series hasn't been repeated was the regretable decision to film the non-studio inserts in appallingly grainy 16mm colour stock which, when shown on especially clear digital broadcast media, is painful to watch. (126.96.36.199)
They have however been able to clean up the episodes that were released on dvd to a considerable degree...improving the quality a great deal. This could be done for the rest of the episodes. Clair 06:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Season or series
Season or series? In England radio and TV program runs are series; in America they're seasons. Should the word "Season" in the episode guide be changed to "Series"? Am I being pointlessly pedantic? Wocky 15:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- As suggested, the word 'Season' has now been replaced by the word 'Series'. Figaro 22:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
The Goodies episodes
I'm trying to put together individual pages for each of the episodes, with episode stills as well, starting with 'Tower of London'. Things might be a little out of wack until I figure out how to use the infobox templates. Any help in the meantime would be much appreciated. Wish me luck! --Modeset 22:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm having some success. I can't work out how to let the alternate title be displayed, and I have to work out also how to create a sub infobox with a listing of the other season 1 episodes. When I say 'work out' I really mean 'work out'. The only way I've gotten this far is by using other infoboxes as templates. So far so good though! --Modeset 00:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Righteo, the infobox is pretty much done. The sub-infobox (containing the episode listings) are done for Series 1, and will need to be done for all series seperately - that's the way it works. One thing I couldn't figure out is how to add the option of listing 'alternate titles' for episodes into the infobox. I couldn't figure out the coding for it. Hopefully someone more knowledgable will come along and throw it in. But in the meantime... 'yay, The Goodies episode have an infobox' :) --Modeset 00:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Missing episodes of 'The Goodies'
According to the Treasure Hunt on the BBC website (here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/treasurehunt/missing/goodies.shtml) There have been, in the past, episodes of The Goodies that have been missing. As it is, there are some that only exist in black and white shoddy condition. Does anyone have any info about that?
And what's the deal with 'Wicked Waltzing'? Am I correct when I say that it came out on the UK DVDs in colour? In Australia we only got black and white. --Modeset 12:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- You are correct — the British release does have 'Wicked Waltzing' (Come Dancing) in colour. It would appear that the colour version of the episode was discovered after the Australian DVD was 'pressed' — hence the Australian release of the episode being in black and white. Figaro 21:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, now that a reasonable colour version of Wicked Waltzing has turned up, the episodes that only exist in black and white are Commonwealth Games and Playgirl Club. Jodievdw 05:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Episodes and their titles
The titles of the Goodies episode pages (apart from one) are now in accordance with the recently published book "The Goodies Rule OK" by Robert Ross. As the book contains contributions by Tim Brooke-Taylor, Graeme Garden and Bill Oddie, as well as a lot of information about the television series (including backgrounds of the episodes etc.), and also information about some of the guest stars who appeared in the television series, I thought that the episode titles contained in the book would be best to use (especially considering the number of alternative titles). The titles, which are now being used, also correspond with the titles given for the episodes on the two DVDs which have been released of the series by the Goodies in conjunction with the British Broadcasting Corporation.
The single exception to the above is the title for the episode which I originally titled "Cunning Stunts" (which is also the title listed in the book for the episode). However, I changed the title to its alternative title of "Fleet Street Goodies" because of a very crude comment which was put in the episode's 'trivia' section, regarding the title "Cunning Stunts". My main reason for retaining the alternative title of "Fleet Street Goodies" is so that, hopefully, the page will not again be vandalised in such a manner.
There are now articles for all 74 of The Goodies episodes. Some of the episode pages have screen capture images in their episode infoboxes (which is great), with most of the images being supplied by Modeset. However, most of the episodes still have the DVD image in the infobox (and a CD image on "The Goodies – Almost Live" page). It would be good if all of the episodes can eventually have an appropriate screen capture image in each episode infobox. Figaro 08:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- Re "Stunning..." It is a perfectly good joke and I am sure that they knew exactly what they were doing when they used it. Funny to see such wowserism on a Goodies page. Greglocock 21:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- I would like to comment here that most of the episodes of The Goodies television series were not given titles by the Goodies, themselves, and this has led to alternative titles being given for some of the episodes — including an alternative title being given to the episode "Cunning Stunts ("Fleet Street Goodies"), so there is no reason (nor is there any proof) to believe, or assume, that the Goodies ever intended such a vulgar spoonerism for the episode. The episode is actually filled with very dangerous stunts, which were all performed by the Goodies, themselves (it was definitely not a crude or bawdy episode — therefore, using such a spoonerism of the title for the episode is inappropriate). Figaro 13:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Undue weight on Python
- First of all, the Goodies episodes have their own special pages — in other words, information about the Goodies episodes is not confined to this article, only.
- The Python material, within the Goodies episodes, has a special section within this article (now a sub-heading under the banner of the Goodies episodes section), and the references are contained within this special sectiion. I have now removed all non-episode comments from the Python sub-section (within the Goodies episodes section of this article), so that the information is now confined to the Python send-ups and spoofs during episodes of the Goodies television series, only.
- With regard to the Goodies and the Pythons, they are close friends, with their friendship dating back to their time as students at Cambridge University. For instance, all three Goodies and two of the Pythons (John Cleese and Graham Chapman) performed together while they were students in the Cambridge University Footlights Club. Tim Brooke-Taylor (who was the, then, President of the Footlights) and Bill Oddie, auditioned Eric Idle for a Pembroke "smoker" and this led to Eric Idle joining the Footlights Club. Later, Graeme Garden (who had 'inherited" the Presidency from Tim), handed the Presidency of the Footlights Club over to Eric Idle.
- The Goodies and members of Monty Python also worked together in some pre-Goodies and pre-Monty Python radio and television series: These include all three Goodies and John Cleese working together during the radio series "I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again" and, later, Tim working with John Cleese and Graham Chapman during the television series "At Last The 1948 Show" — and Graeme and Bill working with Michael Palin and Terry Jones during the television series "Twice a Fortnight".
- Here are some references about the above:
- The Origin of Monty Python — mentions ISIRTA and "At Last the 1948 Show"
- Radio Ha Ha interview — Tim discusses his career in Episode 1 of Australian comedy podcast Radio Ha Ha
- "A Clump of Plinths" - the 1963 Cambridge Footlights Club revue - later renamed "Cambridge Circus" (this was the Footlights revue during the time when Tim Brooke-Taylor was President of the Footlights. Tim, Bill, John Cleese and Graham Chapman were members of the revue cast)
- Broadway revue — "Cambridge Circus" on Broadway at the Internet Broadway Database. Part of the revue was also staged on the "Ed Sullivan Show".
- Because of their friendship, the Goodies enjoyed sending up the Pythons within their own television series. Likewise, the Goodies (mostly Tim) was sent-up by the Pythons in some of the Monty Python books. What is the problem with that — or with showing where the Goodies spoofed Monty Python in their series? Figaro (talk) 17:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
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