Talk:The Links

A fact from The Links appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 February 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that members of The Links, an elite organization of upper-class Black women, include Betty Shabazz, Marian Wright Edelman (pictured), and Kamala Harris?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Marian Wright Edelman

File:Marian Wright Edelman 01.jpg

... that members of The Links, an elite organization of upper-class Black women, include Betty Shabazz, Marian Wright Edelman (pictured), and Kamala Harris? Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Our_Kind_of_People/_FWTEBzgNdcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=the%20links "upper-class black America's most elite organization for women"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-COVID
- Comment: Would be nice to slot sometime in February, if possible. And, whoops, I'm a day late, can we IAR that?

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Valereee: Nice to see you back around the wheelhouse! IAR on timing—Article is long enough, neutral, and plagiarism-free, but that cn tag is going to have to be resolved first. Also, Rolling Stone and International Business Times aren't fantastic sources for this, but Rolling Stone is used for its own opinion, so that one's fine. Hook is cited inline and interesting, and a QPQ has been done (although, jesus, someone should probably step in for that one). Nearly there—super interesting article! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and definitely approved for Black History Month. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Theleekycauldron, I've just removed the assertion for now. Thanks for the review! valereee (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Valereee: All righty, works for me—and IBT? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Theleekycauldron, I wasn't thrilled with it, but for such a noncontroversial fact I thought it was okay. I can remove her entry if you would prefer, though. valereee (talk) 23:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC) But Rolling Stone? How is that not RS?[reply]
      - @Valereee: I'm not sure on Rolling Stone—looks like there's a WP:RSP consensus that it's not reliable for politics and society anymore. As for Rye and IBT, this or this might be marginally more reliable, but I'll leave that up to you. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Theleekycauldron, I've replaced IBT with one of yours, and thanks! Meh on RS -- this is hardly a controversial political/cultural/sociological issue. This isn't an assertion that Mitch McConnell deserves the hell he's going through. :) I have seen absolutely nothing anywhere that is arguing this group isn't influential/prestigious. valereee (talk) 00:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        On that one, i think we're all subject-matter experts ;) good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks, Theleekycauldron! Would you be willing to put this into the SOHA so it won't get missed by promoters? valereee (talk) 04:22, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Done-dunino! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Theleekycauldron, can I ask you for one more look? I've added an image. Most of these women are alive, so I wasn't sure we'd have one that was free use (other than the various politicians), but there's one of Edelman that is free use. valereee (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Ooh! Freely licensed, clear at 100px, and used in article, so good to go. We've been down on POC biopics lately (where's Ktin when you need 'em), so I appreciate it :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation of B?

Saw this on the front page, noticed that the B as in Black people is capitalised. Is this a MOS for articles such as this? Thank you Obama gaming (talk) 01:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Obama gamingIt seems to me that lower case is typically (though not always) used for racial identifiers. However, I remember a discussion about this particular issue some months ago. The sources on the article same to vary in their capitalisation. I will change the spelling to lower-case. Regards, thorpewilliam (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Obama gaming, MOS is at MOS:PEOPLANG. valereee (talk) 16:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thorpewilliam, I've reverted this as it didn't seem like an improvement and wasn't really explained. Happy to discuss. valereee (talk) 11:06 am, Today (UTC−5)

@Valereee: Yes I've read the MOS and it says "there is no general consensus" but if there's other capital B's then we may as well roll with all capital B's for the sake of consistency. Appreciate the MOS link though. I have no strong thoughts on this & more than willing to let you do what you want. Obama gaming (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Obama gaming, there's no general consensus for or against using mixed-case; that is, Black/white. For Black or black, we have consensus, and we want consistency within an article. We do not care about consistency withing the encyclopedia. valereee (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@User:valereee Sweet as, no problem. Obama gaming (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

valereee Hi, I noticed some sources used lower case and some upper case. Lower case for colour descriptors seems to make the most sense to me. So long as it's consistent within an article, however, and consistent across all colour terms (mainly black & white), it doesn't pose a significant issue. I won't contest your reversion. Thanks, thorpewilliam (talk) 08:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

addition to lead

I'm not sure extra info about a few members is really useful for the lead? It doesn't really say anything about the organization. valereee (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]