Talk:The Shape of Water (novel)

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The Shape of water is given as both the first novel and the first of the TV series. It is indeed the first novel both by publication date and internal chronology. However it was the third of the TV series according to IMDB, season 2 number 1. --80.254.147.252 (talk) 22:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 March 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Shape of Water (novel) → La forma dell'acqua
The Terracotta Dog → Il cane di terracotta
The Snack Thief → Il ladro di merendine
The Voice of the Violin → La voce del violino
The Voice of the Violin (film) → The Voice of the Violin (unrelated to Inspector Montalbano series)
Excursion to Tindari → La gita a Tindari
The Scent of the Night → L'odore della notte
Rounding the Mark → Il giro di boa
The Patience of the Spider → La pazienza del ragno
The Paper Moon → La Luna di Carta
August Heat → La Vampa d'Agosto (unrelated to Inspector Montalbano series)
August Heat (short story) → August Heat
The Wings of the Sphinx → Le ali della sfinge
The Track of Sand → La pista di sabbia
The Potter's Field (Camilleri novel) → Il campo del vasaio
The Potter's Field (Peters novel) → The Potter's Field (unrelated to Inspector Montalbano series)
The Age of Doubt → L'età del dubbio

– My apologies for the amount of entries requested on this move. I was inspired to request this move because of the ongoing discussion at Talk:The Shape of Water (film)#Requested move 5 March 2018 and because the deletion request discussion looks like this article will not be deleted. I was originally just going to request this move for the first book, but there is an article for each book in the Inspector Montalbano series, and if I change one, I have to change the others. I realize some are short and may not be notable on Wikipedia in general, but that can be dealt with after this move discussion. "The Voice of the Violin (film)", "August Heat (short story)", and "The Potter's Field (Peters novel)" are unrelated to the series, but have the same names as two of the novels, and they should be moved to their respective new titles if this move comes to pass. In addition, it seems that the original titles for each book are the Italian titles, as the author is Italian, so English titles are not completely necessary in this case. JE98 (talk) 06:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. These books have been published in the English-speaking world under their English-language titles and we would not title The Shape of Water (novel) as La forma dell'acqua any more than we would title The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo as Män som hatar kvinnor. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:18, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all particularly @JE98: sorry but nominating The Potter's Field (Peters novel) → The Potter's Field , and The Voice of the Violin (film), indicates that you do not understand how titling works on Wikipedia. We do not disambiguate against other titles, but against the real world. Please see WP:AT and WP:DAB, No offence, but this is basic. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:46, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all - Per others, the books were published under those titles in English._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:ENGLISH since the reliable sources indicating notability of the first novel use its English-language title pretty extensively. That means this does not apply: "If an examination of the sources in an article shows that one name or version of the name stands out as clearly the most commonly used in the English language, we should follow the sources and use it." Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per the above. But there's not harm in creating the redirects back to the English page titles. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I do not understand the need to change the title of the article about the novel by Ellis Peters, The Potter's Field (Peters novel). The novels are distinct with their present title, the other being The Potter's Field (Camilleri novel). The titles are distinct now, I see no need for this change. Changing the titles of the articles about the Camilleri novels to Italian in English Wikipedia does not make any sense either. This is not like the decision once made about the article about the book, The Little Prince, whose original title is in French, while the Wikipedia article is titled in English. All this because a film won the Oscar and has a title that is NOT based on an earlier novel with the same title, very odd. There is a disambiguation page for the phrase, The Potter's Field which includes links to both novels, among other articles. In ictu oculi seems to understand the Wikipedia mechanics of this better than I do, and comes to the same conclusion. --Prairieplant (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per published-in-English comments above, and particular opposition for shifting "Potter's Field" around. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral / weak oppose moving to Italian titles, but those English titles could become disambiguation pages if enough people want them to. There'd need to be a separate subsequent discussion probably. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.