Talk:Theory of Forms

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Eidos RfC[edit]

There is a RfC directly involving this article on the Eidos talk page. You may want to take part in this discussion. Salvidrim! 20:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Aristotelean criticism[edit]

uhm, this sentence, "Ross objects to this as a mischaracterization of Plato."

Who the hell is Ross and why do I care? Is it considered normal in wikipedia to introduce a critic to an idea by his last name alone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.197.145 (talk) 06:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

That whole section needs work.

Ross, Sir David (1951). Plato's Theory of Ideas. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
Ross is not the only expert to point out that Aristotle did not have an adequate understanding of Plato's theories! For example, see this discussion, and also (Aristotle, Metaphysics A, 987b12-15) ~ BlueMist (talk) 14:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Italicized title[edit]

Hi there guys. Shouldn't the title of Theory of Forms be italicized? Isn't it a standalone work, like a book? Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Italics And by the way, it seems that Allegory of the Cave should be in quotes because they're basically chapters in a book, Republic. Right? I'm a passerby and I just thought I'd check to see if someone knew something that I didn't. Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 15:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No. There is no writing, "Theory of Forms," unless perchance some modern philosophy book, and the allegory is not a chapter. It is just in there. These are modern names of ideas. The work is Republic. Pass on, pass on, with hope in your heart, and you'll never pass alone, you'll never pass alone.Botteville (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Finished removing unreferenced material[edit]

"Many other principles of the ideal state are expressed: the activities of the populace are to be confined to their occupation and only one occupation is allowed (only the philosophers may be generalists). The citizens must not meddle in affairs that are not their business, such as legislation and administration (a hit at democracy). Wealth is to be allowed to the tradesmen only."

Brianhe contacted me concerning the first half of this paragraph, which he had removed as unreferenced. You did not, you said, Brianhe, remember any such thing from your course on Plato. Then you said you were contacting me in case I wanted to put it back. I see you are a long-standing user so you deserve an appropriate answer.

Well, I wish I could tell you what the situation was several years ago but I cannot remember. But, in a way, it does not matter. You chose to take it to me and I also am a long-standing editor with a few privileges. Strictly as a minor point, it does not look like my work. Like everyone else, however, I had to start somewhere so I am sure I had some dumb comments to make, just like everyone else. There are some other things wrong with it as well. It is definitely WP-editor-opinionated. Moreover, the whole paragraph seems off-topic at this point. We are talking theory of forms in this article, not the minor irrelevant points of the republic.

What I do not understand is why you did not just remove the entire paragraph. The whole thing is unreferenced, not just half of it. Second, what you do or do not remember from a distant course in Plato has no bearing at all and should not be used as a criterion for adding or deleting anything. But, that is irrelevant, as we have plenty of WP reasons to take it out. I suppose you wanted to talk to me. OK, here I am, talk.Botteville (talk) 02:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)