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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Centre College president Thomas A. Spragens was a delegate to the 1968 Democratic National Convention? Source: Interview with Thomas A. Spragens: "In 1968 I was a delegate to the infamous Democratic National Convention in Chicago."
  • ALT1: ... that president Thomas A. Spragens suspended all classes at Centre College several days after the Kent State shootings, and organized teaching sessions for students on the college lawn? Source: William Weston (2019), Centre College: a Bicentennial History: "The peak moment of ferment came a little later, in the first week of May 1970, after the National Guard killed four students at an anti-war protest at Kent State University. On May 8, classes were suspended for a "Day of Concern"... President Spragens and many faculty members addressed students first on the lawn and then in organized teaching sessions."
  • ALT2: ... that Thomas A. Spragens, later president of Centre College, chose to take a permanent position with the Bureau of the Budget rather than return to Syracuse to finish graduate school? Source: Interview with Thomas A. Spragens: "I was asked to remain on, though I had gone there on a temporary appointment, and after consulting with the dean at Syracuse I decided to forgo the rest of my graduate program there."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2021 Africa Cup of Nations Final

5x expanded by PCN02WPS (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC).

• Hooks are of appropriate length, sourced, neutral. I think ALT1 is the most interesting though all appear acceptable. Article is recently 5x expanded, appears sourced and neutral. Earwig shows some uncomfortable similarities between phrases in the article and those in two others (see these two comparison pages [1] [2]). Once that's resolved, this will be good to go. Action needed, ping PCN02WPS ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 16:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Ezlev, I have tried to clean up the article, most of the remaining similarities are proper nouns or organization names. Let me know if there's anything else that needs tweaking. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Looks good! ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 19:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Thomas A. Spragens/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 18:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

• What's the source for File:Tomspragens.jpg? The link on the file page is broken so I can't verify the original publication date.
  • That image was a part of the page before I did any work on expanding it; the image is almost certainly not a part of the public domain, as the linked source is this obituary published by Centre in 2006. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

    Then I think you have to fix the tags and write a FUR; I can't pass this GAN with the tags in that statement. Or you could remove the image, but I don't think there would be any trouble with a FUR. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It is quite unclear to me as to the original source of this image (as in, the photographer and when it was taken) so completing the FUR is a little confusing for me; thankfully, I have a pretty good idea of some people I could talk to now that I'm back on campus as to whether I could either obtain this information or get a picture that isn't ARR, so I have decided to comment out the image from the infobox for now (since this is the main thing standing in the way of a GA, if I'm understanding you correctly), and I'll see what I can do from here. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

• Rootsweb is flagged as an unreliable source.
  • I'm probably being stupid but I'm not sure which source you're referring to. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

    Sorry, I should have realized you couldn't easily find it that way. It's FN25, "Kentucky Obituaries, 1 Jan 2006 through 31 Dec 2006". Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

That source was just a collection of obituaries from The Advocate-Messenger, so I've replaced that source with the actual obit in the paper. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

• Why are we singling out the New York Times as having praised Spragen's plan? I have a subscription to the NYT and tried to find the article, and couldn't; if you have any more details, let me know and I'll see if I can dig it up.
  • The NYT is specifically mentioned by name in the Hardin 1967 source; I don't still have access to that book (though I will be able to get it again in a little over a week) but if I remember correctly the author was just trying to convey the positive reception of this plan. I can remove this if you advise that. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

    No, that's OK, just curious. If you get the book again and there's a reference I can look it up for you if you're interested. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

• Not an issue for GA, but there are a lot of uses of "also", many of which could be cut.
  • I tried to slim this down, it's not even something I noticed while writing. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
• "Spragens ended his presidency when he asked to be relieved of his duties on November 16, 1981": is this just a way of saying he resigned? Or does it mean more than that?
  • Yes, just resigned. I have reworded to simplify. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
• "After his retirement from the presidency, he continued his public service, and served on": suggest just "After his retirement from the presidency he served on" -- the bit in the middle is just unspecific praise.
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
• "and one such committee drafted a "statement of concern" intended to be sent to President Richard Nixon": why is this relevant in this article?
  • I added it because Spragens mentioned it in an interview when discussing the teaching sessions that went on that day, but I have now removed this bit. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: several responses above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

PCN02WPS, just checking you haven't forgotten about this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie Thanks for the ping - this weekend I have been moving back into school and will start classes soon so I will get to it when I have a touch more time, probably within the next few days, if that's alright with you. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, no problem keeping this open for a bit. I'll check in with you again in about a week. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie I think I'm ready for another look, thanks very much for your patience. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Fixes look good; passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC)