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I have nominated this article for deletion. Tito is even less notable than Joe the Plumber and the content for the article is pretty slim. Participate in the discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tito Munoz. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 01:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if I would encourage total deletion. I think that our man Tito here may be a good footnte in the campaign articles about the 2008 election, so worst case I would encourage his story to be attached to a relevant article to the election. 65.160.229.33 (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I've taken the liberty of stripping sources from this article, as many of them were blogs, opinion, or "political analysis," and thus not appropriate for a BLP: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

This one doesn't mention Tito at all, and links to an article you have to pay for: [8]

I did add an AP story about him introducing Palin, but that leaves a grand total of three sources, and honestly the other two aren't all that solid, in my opinion. Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 23:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of those are reliable sources. If you can point to the consensus where it is discussed and ruled unreliable please do. For example CNN's political ticker, point to the consensus where it was decided that it's unreliable. In any case it directly reflects on the notability in the Afd, remove them if you like after the Afd is over under Afd such deletion is inappropriate (instead of Afd we could just blank the whole article by such deletions piece by piece but we have the Afd process instead). Hobartimus (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll go through them one by one. I didn't think we needed to achieve consensus for using blogs as sources in BLPs, just common sense. I'm going by this: "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, and blogs as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article." Wiki:BLP#Sources

1. http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/tito-the-builder-joins-palin-on-the-stump/

2. http://www.mgwashington.com/index.php/2008electionblog/blog_index/titos-tv-time/2015/

3. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/27/politics/fromtheroad/entry4548247.shtml

4. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/27/palin-trots-out-tito-the-builder-at-virginia-rally/

5. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/27/1597817.aspx

"First Read is an analysis of the day's political news, from the NBC News political unit."

6. http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/28/joe-the-plumber-meet-tito-the-builder/

"Welcome to the Political Machine. Here you can get the latest political news, engage with our bloggers and interact with the most dynamic community on the Internet."

7. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzIwMmZkM2M4MjEzZWVmOGQ1MzBkYzY2NjgyYWZmMDA=

Entire source:

"Earlier this week I wrote about the now-famous Tito the Builder and his confrontation with reporters at a McCain rally in Woodbridge, Virginia. I also wrote about Connie, the Caribbean immigrant who's a strong supporter of Joe the Plumber. And yesterday, I introduced you to another man at the rally, Greg Medina, whose 20 year-old son Brian died in the battle of Fallujah. Now, Will Rabbe of Independent Film Channel has posted a video of the day's events, in which you'll be able to see Tito and Connie (you can't miss them) and Medina (he's the man in the brown jacket) in action, along with a look at the inimitable journalistic style of Mother Jones' David Corn."

Clearly a blog.

10. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5947

Entire source:

[video] There’s a rousing cheer coming out of Colombia for Tito the Builder, CFP’s sister publication, Bogota Free Planet reports today. That rousing cheer is “Viva Tito!” Tito the Builder, now running his own construction company in the US, is Colombian born. Characteristically Colombian, Tito the Builder, told Alan Colms of Hannity & Colmes, that he got involved in the presidential race by going out and giving the newspapers “hiding the truth about Obama a piece of my mind”.

Also clearly a blog, or at least an opinion piece.

How are those reliable sources? And how does that justify removing the AP article I put in? I'm leaving these because, as you point out, it's undergoing Afd, and I don't feel the need to edit war. But the point is to attempt to improve the article, I thought. Leaving contentious sources isn't going to prevent it from getting deleted. Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 16:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

1. Written by FOX News Producer Shushannah Walshe

2. Written by Media General’s Neil Simon

3. Written by CBS News' Scott Conroy

4. Written by CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

5. Written by From NBC/NJ's Matthew E. Berger

7. Written by Byron York

9. Article from RealClearPolitics

10. Article from Canada Free Press

The above sources are reliable. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 18:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not questioning the authors. I repeat: "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, and blogs as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article." Wiki:BLP#Sources Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 19:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename article Tito the Builder

It has been noted in the Afd discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tito Munoz that this article should be renamed as, "Tito the Builder." Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Washington Times article on Tito Munoz

Comment In the Afd discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tito Munoz, editor John Z has noted that this, "Looks like this is the same Tito Munoz, in a Washington Times article April 22, 2002, Die-in to tie up traffic; Protesters plan rush- hour disorder arguing with World Bank / military aid to Columbia protesters. "Tito Munoz argued steadily in English and Spanish in favor of American military aid and stamping out drug use in his native Colombia with a revolving group of protesters. "You are using Colombia for your own political agenda," said Mr. Munoz, wrapped in a Colombian flag and waving his..."(free preview)." Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2011

Comment Its 2011 and Tito is still receiving news coverage for his political activities. 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 - Tito's notability has far surpassed the "15 minutes of fame" point. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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