Talk:Toph Beifong

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"Able to defeat Firelord Ozai"[edit]

The sentence: "Also, the fact that she can "sense" what her enemies are doing would make even her, able to defeat Firelord Ozai." is opinion. She never fought the firelord, who knows if she would have won. Please stop adding it. -Dylan0513 (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Dylan0513 on this one. The statement is conjecture, and is not cited. --Hojimachongtalk 18:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree. This is baseless and has no place being added. Derekloffin (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She would have definitely won the battle, controling the whole battle field, but then the avatar would have been useless. Toph bai fong (talk) 07:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Position[edit]

I have no idea how to access it, so someone who does, can they please correct the infobox header for position. Right now it's coming up as a double of Age. If it isn't a valid section, then it should be added or removed as deemed appropriate (and that goes for all avatar character pages). Derekloffin (talk) 01:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alias[edit]

An alias can be defined as another name, which The Runaway clearly is. It needs to be included because there is an episode named after her alias. - Rashu0 (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is 2 things: 1) It's a minor, 1 episode alias. 2) No character in the show actually calls her the runaway, only the poster does. -Dylan0513 (talk) 02:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1)If there is an episode named after her alias then it is not minor. 2)An alias is an alias and sokka, katara, and toph all say the name. 3)Don't make too big of a deal about adding two words to the section "alias". It is relevant enough to add to her page and doesn't take up too much space. I know how picky you are about small pieces of info and i'm tired of arguing with you - but your insistence on taking away information from a page is horrible. Rashu0 (talk) 03:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rashu, we are not a collection of trivia. For minor information like this, you are better off trying the Avatar Wikia. This article isn't supposed to include every little point that happened in the series. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 03:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I realize this - but an alias is not trivia, especially if there is an episode named after one. Again, there is no reason not to add these aliases. If these articles are not supposed to contain minor information then why are there sections like hair color and eye color? I think people would much rather know the character's aliases rather than the color of their hair which they could see in a picture. Isn't a character's alias more important than the color of their hair? Rashu0 (talk) 03:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, it is not a notable alias. Withstanding the fact that this article probably has to be merged to List of characters in Avatar: The Last Airbender, we rely on a notability policy. I take "notable" aliases to mean something that is used at least three times in various episodes. Otherwise, it just becomes a gimmick for one particular episode. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 03:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you think that if the alias is the name of an episode it is notable? Rashu0 (talk) 04:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's just the name of an episode. I would consider it a notable nickname if it was used repeatedly (like "avatar") throughout the entire show. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit-conflicted) Not particularly. My view is that it should be notable for the entire series, not just that one episode. I'm sure the folks at the Avatar Wikia would love this information though. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 04:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then "The Blind Bandit" should not be on there either as that was also used in only one episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rashu0 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Toph used "The Blind Bandit" alias for a long time ("off screen") and it was used before her actual name was used (showing how notable it is) therefore it should be listed Confront (talk) 08:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe both "The Blind Bandit" and "The Runaway" should be listed. But if notable aliases are defined as Nuke and Ghost explained above, then neither should be on there since both are only used in 1 epidose. But, again, I'm all for putting both on there. Rashu0 (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Toph is called the blind bandit after 206 in random situations. That is why it's notable. -Dylan0513 (talk) 21:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I may be wrong, but i don't remember Toph being called "The Blind Bandit" after that one episode. Could you maybe list a few situations (Outside of 206), where Toph is called the Blind Bandit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rashu0 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you really going to make me go and search through the transcripts? Ugh. -Dylan0513 (talk) 22:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
-From 310: "Hippo: (embracing Toph) Hippo happy to see Blind Bandit!" ...And that's all I got so far. I remember Katara calling Toph the Blind Bandit at some point, hmm. -Dylan0513 (talk) 22:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, you don't have to. But unless you find some examples of "The Blind Bandit" being used outside 206, then both "The Blind Bandit" and "The Runaway" should be listed, or neither should be listed. Rashu0 (talk) 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting on appropriate page: I have looked at some character pages and they have listed aliases if there were any. Also, you mentioned in your "concerns" above that only the poster calls Toph "The Runaway". This is not true. Katara, Sokka, and the Mayor of the village all call her "The Runaway". Even Toph mentions the alias. This along with the fact that there is an episode called "The Runaway" makes it a notable alias, even under your highly selective standards. So if "Blind Bandit" is listed, "The Runaway" should be listed as well. Rashu0 (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What I mean is that no one really refers to her as it. The poster does, but that's more of a title or nickname. As I mentioned before, the Blind Bandit appears in multiple episodes. -Dylan0513 (talk) 23:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the mayor of the village does refer to Toph as "The Runaway". And when you say that the "Blind Bandit" appears in "multiple episodes" you mean 2 episodes. Regardless, "The Runaway" is a notable alias for other reasons, which i gave above. It doesn't make sense that the only thing distinguishing between a notable alias and one that is not notable, is whether it has been mentioned in 1 vs. 2 episodes. Rashu0 (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok then, now we put this up to consensus. Does anyone else think "The Runaway" is a notable alias? -Dylan0513 (talk) 00:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If we're going to put this up to a consensus, then we have to raise the issue of "The Blind Bandit" as well. Say if neither "The Blind Bandit" nor "The Runaway" should be listed; one or the other should be listed; or both should be listed. Rashu0 (talk) 00:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I vote that both "The Runaway" and "The Blind Bandit" are notable aliases and should be listed. Rashu0 (talk) 00:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And think "The Blind Bandit" is notable while "The Runaway" is not. -Dylan0513 (talk) 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She is called "Blind Bandit" in various fan made stories and images, so I think the nickname is quite important for some badly informed people. KaiThe (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

has there been a agreement on wether or not to put in the alias/s yet becuse there is "| aliases =" writeen in the table (in edit mode) but you cannot see it in normal mode please tell me on my talk page as well as here thank you Confront (talk) 09:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No agreement yet since dylan and i are the only 2 people who voted. For now, just leave it as it is. Rashu0 (talk) 04:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age[edit]

Why is there a possibly 13 by season 3? There has never been any indication of her birthday, the only thing ever said about her age is that she's 12, anything else is pure speculation. I'm putting this here first so it can be properly discussed. 189.4.250.18 (talk) 23:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. - Rashu0 (talk) 05:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree and I also do not think that she was 13 in season 3 because then they would have shown her birthday. Toph bai fong (talk) 06:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

copy of image[edit]

i have a copy of this image,so i figurer that i may as well up load it to replace the broken one.Confront (talk) 13:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Toph's Age[edit]

Well, I know quite a lot about both series' , She says she was 12 years old during the events of Avatar the Last Airbender, That would mean she was born in 88 ASC (After Sozin's Comet). That would also mean she was 13-14 in The Promise trilogy and The Search, But she was deceased by the time of The Legend of Korra. User:Bursting Red (Talk) 18:50 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution. While it certainly seems likely that Toph is 13 during The Promise and The Search, it isn't entirely clear that that's the case (e.g., her 13th birthday could have occurred the day after the last Avatar: The Last Airbender episode, putting her at 14 years old during The Promise; furthermore, we don't have precise information on how long the events in The Promise and The Search occur). Moreover, it isn't at all clear that she's alive in The Legend of Korra, with the implication being that she is not, given how she is spoken about in past tense (and if she is not alive, obviously she no longer has an age). Thus, unless we have a reliable source that can fully verify Toph's age during The Search or The Promise, or that she is indeed alive in The Legend of Korra, it's best to keep the age information restricted to just her age in Avatar: The Last Airbender (which as been fully verified by Nickelodeon, a reliable source.) Therefore, I have reverted those additions. But thanks again for the effort! We definitely need more knowledge and passionate editors to help fix up the Avatar: The Last Airbender articles. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 03:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Student Editor[edit]

I am a student editor currently taking an editing course at Texas A&M University, and I am working on this article for a project. I will be trying to improve the encyclopedic tone, organization, and notability. Please let me know of any questions or concerns. .stughi. (talk) 13:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC) [reply][reply]

Here is the link to the sandbox draft I've started: User:.stughi./Toph_Beifong. If there are no issues with the draft, I'd like to start implementing my edits. Please let me know of any problems or concerns.
Here are the major edits that I am currently planning to do:
-Find valid secondary sources to prove notability, particularly in the Reception section.
-Improve encyclopedic tone.
-Remove sections about appearances from comic books (WP:FAN- lack of popularity). .stughi. (talk) 02:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@.stughi.: I have implemented your edits. You write well, so please go ahead and work directly on live articles. I just rewrote your sentence about the reactions to Ehasz' suggestion for clarity. I have not removed the bit about the meaning of "supported lotus", but if you think it's unnecessary or WP:OR, do take it out. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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