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A fact from Trinity Church (Antarctica) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 April 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Trinity Church is a permanent building in Antarctica and the most southern church in the world?

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Any chance of a map showing where on Antarctica this church is? Batmanand | Talk 08:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Southernmost church in the world?

The Bulgarian Orthodox chapel at St. Kliment Ohridski Base on Livingston Island is located more to the south — Livingston Island is to the south of King George Island and that's enough to prove it. The dispute here is whether a chapel qualifies for a church. The "chapel" article says it's "a private church or area of worship", so I believe it does. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 10:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Bellingshausen Station also states Trinity Church is the first church in Antarctica, again untrue if you consider a chapel a church, because the one at St. Kliment Ohridski Base is from 2003, which even means Trinity Church is not even the first Eastern Orthodox one in Antarctica. Of course, it all depends on the definition of "church" implied, either the general one, "any building of Christian worship, a Christian temple" or a "a type of building of Christian worship that is above chapel but under basilica and cathedral in the hierarchy", as far as I understand it. Could someone please throw some light on that?

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 11:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Chapel of the snows church outside of Mcmurdo Has been there since 1958 and is located further south than the new Trinity Church or the Bulgarian one.

Yes, I've just read about it. Even if it is a chapel, it looks larger than the Russian church on pictures from the site I've cited. It's probably merely the way people'd like to call it when they establish it in these cases.

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 19:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel means in English many things but in our case the Bulgarian chapel is параклис that is it has no altar and the Divine Liturgy can not be performed there. The difference is very important for the Orthodox church. --Koryakov Yuri 22:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Treaty Obligations

I had rather got the idea that the erection of permanent structures in Antarctica was prohibited. The 1991 Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty says Antarctica is designated as a "natural reserve devoted to peace and science". I know many of the research stations have been there a long time and are quite big but I thought that, in theory at least, they could all be dismantled and shipped home. A permanent church implies a permanent population. Would it not have been more appropriate to make space for religious observance within the research station? 217.154.66.11 12:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What defines "Permanent" in the first place? This church could also be dismantled and shipped away. "The structure was built out of Siberian Pine by Altay carpenters led by K.V. Khromov, then dismantled, shipped to Antarctica (by the ship Academician Vavilov) and assembled there by the staff of Bellingshausen Station" Why is permanence of any importance, since in truth, NOTHING, even the Rocky Mountains is truly permanent. So what if it is a church? Why is this newsworthy other than as a curiosity.

You just answered your own question: It's newsworthy 'cos it's a curiosity. Irrevenant 00:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the church deserves an article, but I would contest the characterization of the church as the only permanent building in Antarctica. McMurdo Station certainly contains permanent buildings. NoIdeaNick 03:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To add to the above thought, I would like to know what type of nation would request a church be dissasembled, and a preist moved, becasue they were in treaty violation Keeperoftheseal 23:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The type of nation that obeys international law. —Cuivi é nen, Thursday, 13 April 2006 @ 03:42 (UTC)

lol... curious question

since the sun doesn't set every day in Antarctica, does that mean the sermons last really long? Kirbytime 04:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good thing they aren't Muslim, because you'd get really hungry on Ramadan some years ;) (j/k. I'm sure they'd figure it out.).

I second the motion that we put up a map of where in Antarctica this church is. Robotbeat 07:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Communications?

How does the church communicate with officials in Russia (satellite phone, Internet, etc.)? Might be an interesting tidbit. 71.93.238.14 22:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In his Antarctica blog, Father Gavriil (who served at the station in 2005) mentions using internet regularly, as well as "huge Chilean coins" needed for the local payphones. So apparently the place is pretty well wired. Vmenkov (talk) 12:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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