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The Good Article criteria requires that the article have images before it can qualify. I have to look-up the details, but I believe there is a Wikipedia conference in New York in a month or two and that is where Triumph made its entrance into the US market, so I should be able to get some photographs of local stores and products while I'm there. It may therefore be a while until it's ready for a GA nomination (after I get some photos). If anyone has a specific request of what I take a picture of, please let me know! CorporateM (Talk) 00:10, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
You don't require images, they are just nice too have. Wouldn't a photograph of a Triumph-brand bra also work? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Yah, I was thinking one photo of a Triumph bra and one of the store entrance. The bra for the Products section and the store photo for the infobox or in the History section where it discusses US expansion. The German version of this article has some photos of the founders and old logos that could also be used. I usually see photos of execs as a promotional COI issue, but I am a bit more split on the historical versions of the trademark. I'll go ahead and nominate since it's not a stern requirement. I was also thinking whether there is a specific bra I can take a photo of that is distinctively "Triumph". Thoughts on the images from the German article? CorporateM (Talk) 00:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't think any of them are particularly good. For a store entrance, I think a German or UK branch would be better, under freedom of panorama laws. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
"It began with a staff of six people under the name Wirtschaftlicher Verein Spiesshofer & Braun, Familienverein reg."" Where did that quotation mark come from?
Done Strange, not sure where that came from. CorporateM (Talk) 02:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
"The company took on its current namesake "Triumph," which is named after the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, in 1902." Try "In 1902, the company took on its current name, Triumph, with the Arc de Triomphe in Paris as its namesake."
"The first Triumph International location outside of Germany was established in 1933" but later "The company's name was changed to "Triumph International" in 1959." If the latter is true, then the first instance might read better as "The first Triumph location outside of Germany was established in 1933" as the International part of the name had not yet been tacked on.
"In the late 1970s the company introduced the sloggi brand, which sold undergarments made primarily of cotton and started using lighter fabrics such as nylon and lycra in the Triumph brand." Try switching around the halves of this sentence so you don't begin with a clause with a comma, then continue to another without one, like such: "In the late 1970s, the company started using lighter fabrics such as nylon and lycra in the Triumph brand and introduced the sloggi brand, which sold undergarments made primarily of cotton."
The prose of the lead looks adequate and summarizes the article pretty well, but the infobox includes some claims that are either not elsewhere in the article, contradictory to claims that are sourced in the article, or simply unreferenced:
"Number of locations 2,100 stores" should agree with the last sentence of the article, "As of 2013, the company operates 2,000 Triumph stores and its products are sold in 40,000 department stores."
Would you prefer we standardize on the secondary source from 2013 (citation 45) that says 2,000 locations, or a weaker, primary, but more updated primary source that says 2,100? CorporateM (Talk) 03:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I think the primary source is fine in this occasion, especially because it is more likely to be updated with greater frequency. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:56, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
"Revenue $986.3 million (2013)" should be cited and included in the body of the article.
Not done I actually took this out. It looks like the revenue data was actually from "Triumph Group" an aerospace manufacturer, and Triumph International hasn't published updated numbers since 2011. CorporateM (Talk) 03:30, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
"Employees 36,500" should also be cited and included in the body in addition to the infobox.
Done I added a source, but didn't add it to the body. I typically prefer to avoid repetition between the infobox and the body. CorporateM (Talk) 03:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
There are several sources (all in German, I think) that pull from TextilWirtschaft or Der Spiegel archives. Two things: none of them need the "textilwirtschaft.de" or "spiegel.de" in their titles. Also, they should all really have accessdates. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 03:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
One last thing: Check sources that you physically retrieved that list a page number (54-58, for example, though they're not the only ones). In the cite templates, make sure to list "page" if only one page is referenced or "pages" if it's multiple. "pages=33-35" results in "pp. 33-35", whereas "page=33" results in the single p "p. 33". As it stands now, several sources list "pages=33" resulting in the incorrect "pp. 33". (p is for one page, pp is for multiple). Once you clean that up, I believe this article will be good to pass!
From what I've seen of your editing, you've been the gold standard of COI disclosure and ethical corporate editing. This article fairly covers all aspects of the topic, giving due weight, including to the labor disputes in this company's history. Thanks for your work on this and in the broader sense of bringing integrity to COI editing.
Triumph logo image is hosted on en and has a complete FUR. The other two images are hosted on Commons under acceptable licenses. FoP is not a problem, both because the images were taken in the UK and because they were provided by the company. No problems here!
Thanks for addressing my comments quickly and thoroughly. This article now satisfies GA criteria and I'm happy to pass it. Thanks for your work on it. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:00, 7 October 2014 (UTC)