Talk:United Church of Christ in the Philippines

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Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Additional copyright concerns[edit]

The first removal of this text seems to have missed some material. For instance, "The UCCP maintained the connection between evangelism and social concern" is also taken directly from [1] (page 69). It entered the article here. From its foundation, this article was a licensing violation, as it mirrored the Wikipedia article Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) without credit (which has been remedied above). I am investigating currently to see if there are other issues. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

As near as I can determine, copyright infringement was first introduced to this article here, with pasting from the official website which is plainly marked "All rights reserved." There could easily be additional copied material. Untangling what is and what is not copied from other sources may be difficult here, and it might be best to either revert to the last version prior to that or to start fresh. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Entire article began as a copy-paste. The subsequent multiple additions of copied text are too tangled to address. I've stubbed the article so that the information can be rewritten from scratch. CactusWriter | needles 12:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Evangelical or mainstream protestant[edit]

This article describes the UCCP as "evangelical" but my impression is that it is a mainstream protestant denomination. Methodist, Congregationalists, Presbyterians and many Baptists are all considered mainstream protestant churches in the United States and the UCCP seems to be made up of the missionaries from these denominations. Evangelicals tend to be more conservative theologically and come from the Pentacostal and other traditions, though some Congregationalists and Baptists are also Evangelical. Indeed the United Church of Christ in the US is a mainstream denomination. Just because "evangelical" is in the name of the denomination doesn't make the denomination evangelical. Just look at the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. --Bruce Hall (talk) 06:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The term "evangelical" in the Philippines is more descriptive of its historical roots than on the current or contemporary meaning that the term has acquired, particularly in the United States. Historically, these mainline protestant denominations claimed themselves to be evangelical. Admittedly though, in recent history the term has been given a more restrictive meaning. It has been used to generically describe those groups which have more or less conservative, traditional or fundamentalist inclinations. --Aclarado (talk) 05:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
The shift in meaning of the word that Aclarado describes is not unique to the Philippines. In recent years the word has taken on a particular meaning and connotation that did not exist in prior generations, as in evidenced by the name of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, a decidedly non-evangelical church as that word is currently understood. Perhaps this shift has come about with the growth of Pentecostalism in the last 100 years. Regardless, we are left with a question: Should this word be used to describe the UCCP as the word is currently understood in English, internationally? My impression of the UCCP is that it is not a evangelical church as that phrase is understood by most English speakers today. Therefore the word should not be used to describe the UCCP as it would give most readers the wrong impression. --Bruce Hall (talk) 14:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I think I can agree with Bruce Hall's view on the matter. Considering that the intended audience of this article is the rest of the english-speaking world, the term "evangelical" vis-a-vis "mainline" should be used as it is understood today. Further, since the UCCP Church is composed of traditionally mainline protestant polities, the proper term to describe it should be "mainline" instead of "evangelical". With that in mind, I move for a change in the description: from "evangelical" to "mainline". --Aclarado (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
There being no objection to the suggestion as discussed above, I'll be making the edit myself. --Aclarado (talk) 15:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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