Talk:Vallabhbhai Patel

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Former featured article Vallabhbhai Patel is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Main Page trophy This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on October 10, 2006.

Somnath Temple[edit]

Is the discussion of Somnath Temple relevant to the article. Even if it were, I feel its not worthy of inclusion per "Summary Style". -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the info on Somnath temple does not need to be added to the article in such detail.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Somnath Temple Monument of Caste system in India.[edit]

Many political leaders were interested to construct the Somnath Temple by Government. Since India was Democratic and Republic a new idea by MK Gandhi, Vallabh Bhai Patel, KM Munshi and Rajendra Prasd was created and with the help of citizens (actually citizens elect the Member of Parliament and Assemblies) Somnath Temple constructed. This is the monument of Caste system prevailing in Indian subcontinent for last 3000 years. For last 10-20 days we read many articles in News Papers for reservation and as long as religion and caste system are there reservation will not end. Caste system is the main hurdel for scientific progress eradication of poverty of 1000 millions.
Founding Fathers of constitution were in blind faith that within 10 years, India will became Democratic and Republic and after so many years still we talk about reservation.
I request the readers of this discussion to give their opinion. Regards vkvora 19:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Even if what you say is correct, there are two issues. That "Somnath Temple is a Monument of Caste system in India" qualifies as Original Research and hence unless quoted by reliable sources is not worthy of inclusion. Secondly, it doesn't belong here. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Details of Somnath temple does not need to be here in this article on patel. That may be added to the article on Somnath temple with adequate citation/references. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
From vkvora to Ambuj Saxena and Dwai Payan
I have noted the content. I surprise that not a single word of somnath temple is mentioned on the article of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel on Wikipedia. vkvora 03:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You are welcome to add the info, but not a whole paragraph please, not as a subsection. --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the way you have added info in Somnath Temple is perfectly fine. However I doubt whether such details are required in this article. It can be mentioned in this article also, but not a whole paragraph. A couple of sentences should be fine. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

CONGRATS[edit]

Congrats Rama and everyone! It's featured now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on the good work Lost 06:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Congrats all. Especially Nirav. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

First image in lead section..[edit]

..has Sardar staring out into space at nothing. According to the MoS on images, people should be facing *into* the page - focusing the readers attention on the text, not on the browsers right-hand scroll bar. This could be fixed simply if someone can flip the image facing with an image editor. -- Stbalbach 03:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the picture should be looking into the text, but strictly speaking it may falsify the image some what if it were flipped around in space. It would be the same as printing it backwards. This may make his face appear slightly different, and would remove the background from it's orginal perspective. Another solution may be to put the picture to the left of the text, although this would make the page somewhat abnormal. Just my thoughts. Chooper 04:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Patel in Media[edit]

Already this article in FA, still, is it a good idea to have something about Sardar Patel in media? We can add his praise, movie, autobiographies etc in it.-- Anupamsr|talk |contribs  16:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

Vandalism is getting through despite reverts. Someone familiar with the article should check it. --Fang Aili talk 18:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Popular culture[edit]

Why is there no mention of Sardar (1993 film). It is relevant to Sardar Patel and it is his portrayal by popular media, please add this section.Kaushal mehta 11:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure it is relevant to Patel, bearing in mind that this article is about the real him, not about fictional re-imaginings of him. The portrayal of Patel in popular media has no bearing on his life. A similar discussion took place at Elizabeth Báthory. If the posthumous media representations, especially fiction, regarding a historical figure are felt to be relevant, I agree with the conclusion at Elizabeth Báthory that it is appropriate that these be kept in a separate article. I suppose it may be helpful to mention one or two films in which he is represented, but no more than that, and I'm not at all sure that Sardar is the most appropriate reference for Wikipedia. -- TinaSparkle 01:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it is relevant. Please note that Mahatma Gandhi's article has a section on his portrayal by media, so has Nelson Mandela, Jawaharlal Nehru, Muhammed Ali Jinnah and Babasaheb Ambedkar. And I think they are more related to this historic personality than Elizabeth Báthory.Kaushal mehta 13:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Its oversight on my part, for which I am utterly sorry, that I did not see the film is mentioned in the legacy section. I am sorry for that.Kaushal mehta 12:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

First image[edit]

I think the first image should be 300px.
Reasons
1. This picture is of better quality.
2. Presents him in a better light (i understand wikipedia is not an fan club, but still you should present an elder statesman in good light) --DuKot 23:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Changing images as there was no objection --DuKot 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Cabinet mission & partition: No sources[edit]

The entire section labele "Cabinet Mission & Partition" is grossly under sourced with many weasel words, peacock words, large amounts of quoted text outside of quote boxes - does anyone have sources for this entire section? Wozzi7 (talk) 17:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --RegentsPark (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Sardar Vallabhbhai PatelVallabhbhai Patel — Relist. --RegentsPark (talk) 21:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

There is no doubt that this person was popularly called "Sardar" and there is widespread use of both "Vallabhbhai Patel" and "Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel" as well as just "Sardar Patel". However, "Sardar" is an honorific and not part of his proper name, so the article should located at "Vallabhbhai Patel" in line with other Indian independence leaders e.g. Mahatma Gandhi (article at Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi), Pandit Nehru (article at Jawaharlal Nehru), and Maulana Azad (article at Abul Kalam Azad). Green Giant (talk) 04:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

  • Support - As per reason for request. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 01:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support - per nom.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per reason for request. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. SBC-YPR (talk) 17:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. utcursch | talk 20:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sardar is a word of Central Asian Origin and is widely used a a proper first name, used for chief of a tribe among Pashtuns, Turks and other ethnicities in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kurdistan, Turkey, Iran and other central Asians states including Caucasan languages of Dagestan and Chechnia etc.. It is also used in Urdu to refer to a head of traditionally organised system. To say it is a word of Indian languages is to be economic with the truth or show ignoranceignorance. I can see and understand the use by Sikhs given that they also borrowed Singh from from Rajput cheifs of Rajputana, Turban from Afghans and architecture for Gurdawara from Mosques due to the aims of unifying Muslims and Hindus but a Gujrati Hindu, particularly a strong nationalists at that, having the title is out of the ordinary therefore this should be explained as there must be a reason for it. It should be referred to as a word introduced into India by Muslims from the western borders of the South Asian Subcontinent. User Moarrikh 15:05, 11 April 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moarrikh (talkcontribs)

POV?[edit]

India was not guided into "integration into a united, independent nation". It broke into three parts.

Citations are messy[edit]

The citations in this article have become a bit of a mess. Does anyone object if I standardise the things in accordance with WP:CITEVAR? - Sitush (talk) 09:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Caste and native place[edit]

I have just removed the statements about Patel's caste and "native place", which were attributed to Rajmohan Gandhi's biography. I cannot see that source, the caste element was being changed by people and the "native place" bit needs clarification because it is often the case that "native place" is not the same as "birthplace" when it comes to Indian articles (instead, "native place" is the somewhat bizarre "ancestral village" idea). Please can we have a quotation from the source before this information is reinstated. - Sitush (talk) 06:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Image[edit]

I have added an image. Can someone improve it further. Thanking you.--Dr. Rajasekhar A. 06:55, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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