Talk:Video Games (song)

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Former good article nomineeVideo Games (song) was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 2, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
January 6, 2013Good article nomineeNot listed
January 12, 2013Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Germany Charts[edit]

German top 40 listing is missing it's #28 in the week 43 list at http://www.mtv.de/charts/germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.30.139 (talk) 00:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Wikipedian Penguin (talk · contribs) 14:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Sauloviegas. I am reviewing this article for the 2012 WikiCup.

DAB and External links
  • Looks good.
Spotcheck
  • "... as the first single from Del Rey's debut studio album Born to Die, set for release in 2012." – not sourced or supported by any of the sources provided. An iTunes link is there, but I do not see its use.
Supported by three sources. Take a look. - Saulo Talk to Me 20:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The background section looks problematic. Most of it is just quotations and there is little original prose. Much needs to be trimmed and paraphrased.
 Fixed. - Saulo Talk to Me 20:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sheet music does not specify the song length and is unreliable for genres. Please provide reliable sources from journalists for the music genre.
How come it isnt reliable for genres? Are you going against several (and by several, I mean several) good articles that use Music Notes as a source for genres? Adding another for the song length... - Saulo Talk to Me 20:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Musicnotes.com is a site that hosts sheet music from the artists' publishing companies. The sheet music itself does not provide the music genre does it? That's info provided by the commercial site. Music genre is described by music critics in reviews and news. Musicnotes.com is cited for music composition details, like tempo, chord progression, key, metronome, vocal range, etc. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a question, where is the quote from [1] that says that the song is about obsession with video games?
  • The Composition section looks like an issue as well. It is a WP:QUOTEFARM and a lot needs to be paraphrased. I cannot pass this article at such as state and normally it would have failed. The Reception and Music video sections do not look any better.
  • Please address issues before I move on. I will request a second opinion if an article of this state should be passed.
Can I ask someone to copy-edit the article before we continue with the review? - Saulo Talk to Me 22:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:25, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have requested a copy edit at GOCE. Can we fix the references and sourcing issues while waiting for the copy edit? - Saulo Talk to Me 17:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a look. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Prose
  • Will do after GOCE copy edits the article. Here are notes to start off the copy edit with, but this is by no means a comprehensive list:
    • ""Video Games" was released on October 10, 2011 as the first single from Del Rey's second album Born to Die, set for release in 2012." - add "which is" after "Die," to avoid confusion.
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "In an interview with Britsh online magazine The Quietus" - it's an interview for British online magazine...
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Del Rey has stated that the inspiration for the song was an old boyfriend and commented" - you mean "... inspiration for the song came from his ex-boyfriend, commenting"
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The song was written and composed by Elizabeth Grant and Justin Parker in the key of F♯ minor and is set in time signature of common time with a tempo of 61 beats per minute." - three "and"s. try and remove at least one by re-wording.
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per consensus at WP:RSN, we add in-text attribution of Musicnotes.com, so add "According to the sheet music published EMI Music Publishing at Musicnotes.com, the song was written ...".
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Amanda Dobbis realized that ..." - "realized" is not WP:NPOV, neither is "'Video Games' attained worldwide success".
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "assembled from video clips of skateboarders, cartoons, shots from old movies, and paparazzi footage of Paz de la Huerta falling down while intoxicated" - awkward "assembled from". You mean "produced using" or "composed of"?
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "'Video Games' has been covered by several artists, including English rock bands Bombay Bicycle Club and Kasabian." - this is not "several".
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Citation formatting
  • [2]
  • Looks good.
Images
  • The sound sample needs a more detailed caption, else it fails WP:NFCC#8. Describe vocals and music composition using sources and critical commentary.
 Done - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good now.
Manual of style
  • There are no spaces around em dashes per WP:DASH: "... an old-glamour doom-pop ballad that unashamedly lays its feelings on the line — and we all know what happened the last time a singer did that ..."
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "'Video Games' lasts for four minutes and forty-six seconds." - use numerals instead of words for "forty-six".
 Fixed - Saulo Talk to Me 13:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good now.

Pass or Fail: Sauloviegas, I'm awfully sorry. I know GOCE requests take time to get responded to, but I just can't leave this article like this. It has been over a week. The Composition, Critical reception and Music video are still a bit too dense on quotations and it is worrying. The second opinion I had gotten was to wait, but I've waited long enough. I hope this does not come out too harsh because I do respect the effort you've put into the article. I ask that once the article has been copy edited to GA standards it be nominated. Thank you. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:48, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Platinum in Switzerland[edit]

Video Games is Platinum in Switzerland: http://hitparade.ch/awards.asp Please edit it thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.5.0.105 (talk) 19:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

plagiarism accusations ?[edit]

There's a controversy about "video games" being a copy of the song "Dromoi Agapisa Pou" by greek singer Elena Vitali, isn't it worth mentionning ?

ref :
http://www.blackbookmag.com/music/did-lana-del-rey-plagiarize-a-song-1.44191
http://www.collapseboard.com/everett-true/how-influence-works-–-lana-del-rey-vs-eleni-vitali/
http://music.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=972664&showcomments=true

Copyedits[edit]

Hi, I'm from the GOCE, and I'm here to copyedit this article to the best of my abilities! I have already started, in fact, and I'm here to explain where I'm going with it:

  • I already took out some of the quotes. The first one, about her lowering her voice, just didn't agree with the rest of the sentence. Maybe an additional sentence that paraphrases that quote would be better? I also took out "– and we all know what happened the last time a singer did that, don't we?" Actually, I don't really. There are so many stars who melt down. It's hard to keep count. Either way, the article is fine without it, and the Good Article reviewer did seem to think there were too many quotes...
  • Everything else I've done to this point are just minor copyedits that aim to clarify and straighten up. Let me know if you have a problem with any of them.

It's a short article, and I'll be done with the preliminary copyedit soon. Then we can talk it over, and hopefully you'll be able to renominate it. Bobnorwal (talk) 15:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: I'd say it's basically done. Of course, I have a couple things to add:
  • The opening line of the Reception section provides little to no context and is a little confusing. I don't really see what Cat Power has to do with this song. But if you're going to leave this quote, I'd recommend at least linking to the article about her
  • Also, I didn't touch the formatting of the references. I'm really not up on all the particulars of that area.

Bobnorwal (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for taking my request! It really means a lot. I have to agree, that line with Cat Power it's not necessary, it doesn't add much info to the article and most readers won't even understand the context, so I removed it. Also, the references are already fixed according to the previous GA review. Again, thank you. - Saulo Talk to Me 15:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Covers[edit]

Traditionally "cover versions" has meant officially released versions of the song from different artists. I'm not convinced that songs played on a radio session that obliges the performer to do a version of another contemporaneous track qualifies as a "cover", particularly from a notability point of view. danno 01:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

'Background' section[edit]

Is it just me, or is the vast majority of the Background section completely irrelevant to this song? --Michig (talk) 16:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, should be removed JKing8812 (talk) 01:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Video Games (song)[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Video Games (song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "BandcampB":

  • From Bristeil: "Cyruĺnia Svietu | Bristeil". Bandcamp. 2014-05-24. Archived from the original on 2018-11-11. Retrieved 2019-01-03.
  • From Cyruĺnia Svietu: "Cyruĺnia Svietu | Bristeil". Bandcamp. 2014-05-26. Archived from the original on 2018-11-11. Retrieved 2018-11-14.

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Original release date[edit]

Hey guys, I've edited the original release date from the current unsourced Jun 29 2011 to May 5 2011 - as seen on the internet archive page here. For those in doubt of May release date, here's also some blog post from May about the video. This May 5 upload is the earliest one I could find – and it seems like the very first release, as the video couldn't have been made earlier than April 22 2011, as one of sources was uploaded to Youtube on April 22. For those further interested in the early life of Video Games, it seems to have been reuploaded multiple times then, as certain bits and pieces were edited or replaced in the video. This upload from Aug 19 seems like one of the final edits. demistalk 00:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nige nige veduo[edit]

Sjndbdbxbdb 119.156.228.97 (talk) 08:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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