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Joseph Naranjo[edit]

In this article and one on the Platte River, he was originally described as "black". He had an African father, and a Hopi mother. He would have grown up with her and her family in her culture, which was matrilineal. He learned the Southwest through Hopi ways. He would have lived as a Hopi, so let's acknowledge that identity.Parkwells (talk) 15:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Date formats[edit]

The question's been raised whether we should use DMY or MDY dates (14 August 1720 vs. August 14, 1720) in this article. I believe that WP:DATETIES governs the situation, and calls for the American MDY format. The event took place in what's now the Midwestern United States, and the sources cited in the article are predominantly American.

Liamkasbar suggests that the British format is indicated, stating in an edit summary "I'm sure Britain use the MM/DD/YYYY [sic] system at this time, and in 1720, America was a British territory, per se." First, this part of America wasn't British: according to WP's Louisiana Purchase article, it was officially French from 1699 to 1762; and the dominant power in the area where the battle took place was probably the Pawnees. Second, I question whether either format was in use then: documents of the period that I've looked at generally use "the 14th day of August 1720" or "the 14th day of August in the eleventh year of the reign of..." By 1776, the MDY format was in use in the British colonies: "July 4, 1776" appears conspicuously on the top of the Declaration of Independence. Third, if we're going to insist on the date format that was in use in a particular part of a world at a particular time, our medieval and earlier articles are going to have to use dates like "Saint Crispin's Day in the third year of the reign of Henry V", which will probably not be especially clear to the average reader.

Note too the policy MOS:DATERET, which states that the format in which an article has evolved should not be changed absent consensus or strong national ties. The very earliest version of this article used MDY; a spot-check of later versions suggests that this format remained in use until Liamkasbar's recent edit. Ammodramus (talk) 04:49, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

  • I think that the case for the MDY (American) format is a convincing one in this case. Buistr (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC)