Talk:Wang Jingwei

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The KMT and Communists were one party at that point, a coalition of sorts. The assassins were, however, loyal to Mao, members of the Communist party and working directly under a friend of Mao's.


First, KMT and CCP were not one party at any point. They did form coalition in the anti-Japanese War, but they are still two parties, with different organization, different government, different army and different territory.

Second, Wang Jingwei died by ailment, not assasinated.

Third, Wang Jingwei was attempted assassination twice, one in 1935, before he turned a traitor. Some ppl suggested that assassination was ploted by CCP, but no strong evidence. The second in 1938 in Vietnam, which is plotted by KMT intelligence. Both failed.

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I have a question[edit]

Excluding the Communists, would the rest of the Chinese population accept the puppet government? I mean, if the Communists were not part of the equation, would the people have resisted or just succumbed to the government? -G

Cochinchina[edit]

Can the anonymous user who put in the bit about Cochinchina cite a reference? Cochinchina refers to a part of southern Vietnam. I had always understood the formal name of the Nanjing government to have simply been the "State of China". --Diderot 21:29, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


This guy was against the communist. Why would anyone write he wanted to ally with the CCP.

He was the leftist honcho of the KMT before CKS purged that section. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 01:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
When Wang was leading his goverment from Wuhan in 1927, he collaborated closely with Mao Zedong, Borodin, and Chen Duxiu to form the "Central Land Committee", which was supposed to redistribute land to peasants and former Kuomintang soldiers once the Nationalists had re-unified China. The existence of this Committee was one of the main reasons that his government was attacked by neighboring warlords. (I didn't put this into the article because, frankly, my source's attempts to discuss the events surrounding the end of the Wuhan government are extremely confusing). Obviously, Chiang dismantled this committee once his own seniority was established.Ferox Seneca (talk) 06:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Cierta Respuesta a Article title[edit]

Ah,como dije en una ocasion,en las discusiones hay de todo,a veces es bueno,otras veces no.aunque es intere sante y colorido el debate...

yo podria escribir en ingles,pero he preferido hacerlo en mi idioma nativo,y el de mi conocido que ya se fue,el Español:

lamentablemente,no soy el autor de ese articulo soy unicamente un amigo y humilde ayudante que colaboro prestando la PC para escribir y enviar la informacion relacionada.el autor como no esta presente,entonces yo tomare la palabra en su defensa.

Miren,sobre la verdaderamente dudosa cuestion del nombre del"estado" que administro el lider chino- projapones de Wang Chingwei,llamado "Cochinchina" dire algunas cosas,que ojala mi amigo hubiera podido haber dicho,en mas detalle:

este nombre, conozco perfectamente que es muy similar a una region del sur de indochina,y yo antes pensaba que Japon habia organizado algun "estado" con ese nombre en esa region.pues resulta al parecer que bajo esta denominacion en varias fuentes de informacion(Libros,enciclopedias) se referian al estado creado por los Japoneses en Nanking y areas cercanas,o sea la efimera "nacion" dirigida por Wang Chingwei.

por ejemplo en un libro de aviacion "Combat Aircraft of World War Two" (Arm & Armour Press,London) se menciona que en el apartado de Japon que este pais durante la guerra,proporciono aviones a las Fuerzas aereas aliadas de Manchukuo,Thailandia(Siam) y Cochinchina ,no precisamente el sector de Indochina, se referian a una Arma Aerea titere organizada por Japon en el estado de Wang Chingwei,en otro libro sobre Japon,en un articulo llamado "East Asia and Second World War"(P.93-103)" en la seccion "Social and Economical Transformations"(P.94-96) se menciona que Japon compraba a muy bajo costo el arroz de Siam,Birmania y Cochinchina,o sea que el estado de nuestro estimado amigo Wang Chingwei aparece de nuevo,pero en los aspectos economicos de Japon.

Otro recuerdo que tengo y posee relacion con este asunto,es que mis abuelos me relataron que durante las decadas de los 30s y 40s ,tenian amistad con una familia de pescadores Japoneses.entre las cosas que mis abuelos decian es que lo mas lejos estaba en la "Cochinchina" y cuando pregunte me dijeron: "los amigos japoneses ,les comentaron que Japon tenia una nacion amiga llamada asi". por tanto esto es otra mencion adicional del estado Pro-Japones de Wang Chingwei.

y asi he encontrado varias otras fuentes militares y politicas o economicas que hacen referencia al estado Por-Japones de Nanking bajo este nombre "oscuro" de Cochinchina,por tanto deduzco que esa ha sido alguna denominacion alternativa ademas de la conocida de "Estado Pro-Japones de Nanking" y otras que aparecen en el articulo de mi amigo.

es una verdadera lastima que mi amigo,el japones-peruano no haya podido contestarle, como el habia profundizado mas en esta materia,el pudo haberle dado mayores expli caciones acerca de esta "oscura" cuestion. para mi basta con darles estas menciones historicas,pero reitero,existen otra mas en otras fuentes,que como no tengo a mano en casa no puedo citarlas.

Pedro Gonzales Un filo-japones convencido en Latinoamerica.

Title of this article[edit]

Should this article be moved to Wang Ching-wei? He was known in the English press as such. — Instantnood 09:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Similarly, is it very correct to retroactively apply Hanyu Pinyin adopted in 1958 to placenames in his lifetime? For example, Nanking and Chungking were used instead of Nanjing and Chongqing at that time.--Jusjih 10:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Wang Ching-wei is a redirect page for now. I am not an administrator here, so I cannot delete and move.--Jusjih 00:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Government of National Salvation[edit]

Japanese collaboration "...The Government of National Salvation, which Wang headed, was established on the Three Principles of Pan-Asianism, anti-Communism, and Opposition to Chiang Kai-shek..."

Redirects here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_National_Salvation Serbia (1941-1944)

Wang did not lead Serbia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.51.152 (talk) 11:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Wang Jingwei as staunchly anti-communist is a patently false statement[edit]

This is the man who brought Mao Zedong himself back from disgrace when the communists failed to re-elect Mao to the Politburo at the Fourth Party Congress in 1925. Where did he go? South to the KMT, working in Wang Jingwei's Propaganda Department. And who led the left-KMT when Chiang Kai shek was gathering the right to attack them in their second party congress? Wang Jingwei. The assertion that Wang was a "stauch anti communist" is complete rubbish from CCP supporters who don't like real history. Look it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.225.217.144 (talk) 14:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you cite any (preferably unbiased) sources to back this up? Also, one can be anti-Communist and make political alliances with Communists when it is convenient to do so: just look at Nixon's visit to China. 69.151.150.19 (talk) 20:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

In a radio speech in Tokyo in 1941, Wang pledged that he would work with the Empire of Japan to fight against Western imperialism and Communism. (This info is now in the article). By naming them specifically together, he equated them as being equally harmful to China. Because this contradicts his earlier political alignment, he was likely just parroting the views of his Japanese masters, but these were his public views after he defected.Ferox Seneca (talk) 07:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Wang Jingwei and Sun Yat-sen[edit]

I find it quite strange that Sun Yat-sen is considered a modern hero while Wang Jingwei was not. They both were good friends, attended foreign colleges, both lived in Japan, and shared the same political values. Huo Xin (talk) 18:19, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Wang would definitely be viewed differently if he had not defected. I personally attribute his defection to a personal rivalry with Chiang Kai-shek, but that isn't important. It's difficult to be labelled a hanjian and still be viewed well by historians.Ferox Seneca (talk) 18:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Rank of Generalissimo[edit]

The rank of Generalissimo has been added to the infobox by Romanov loyalist (this edit) followed by Bnicol.farbin adding Wang Jingwei to the list of generalissimos (this edit). Apparently the rational is he took the rank of his predecessor which was "General Special Class" and western journalists rendered that Generalissimo. This seems to be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. We should require a specific citation for this or any rank. Without one it should be removed. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)