Talk:Women's rights

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2014[edit]

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Hi, can someone please update the link http://69.94.11.53/ENGLISH/annualreports/a54/9925571e.htm to http://www.unictr.org/Portals/0/English%5CAnnualReports%5Ca-54-315.pdf ? Thanks! 2003:74:CE21:2E01:894D:C84:587C:95D2 (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, in the article's subsection, Rape as an element of the crime of genocide, as requested, see my article Edit summary of today, 13Aug. For7thGen (talk) 01:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the UNICTR link above that I updated is now a dead link as well.
So today I provided a different and better source reference for the paragraph which described a certain genocide trial (in the above-mentioned subsection, Rape as an element of the crime of genocide), namely the actual record of the described trial. For7thGen (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

2011 study of status by country[edit]

I removed that section because it gave WP:UNDUE to that one study. Numerous studies and ranking methods exist to determine the level of gender equality by country. This one study should not be singled out. 123username (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

As a reader of WP articles, I need to have a reasonably-reliable ranking of women's rights by country included in the article, so I can find it again whenever I want it. Please do pick out one or more of the "numerous studies and ranking methods" which meet your criteria, and substitute them in an appropriate manner. Or add the other sources together with this Newsweek source somehow, or whatever you decide is best. But please don't leave me and other readers totally deprived. Let's all help the WP readers, For7thGen (talk) 05:09, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. Maybe that section is needed, but in the form it was, it was very simplistic and rudimentary. A summary of Measures of gender equality page, perhaps together with the map of the Global Gender Gap Report 2013 findings would be better.123username (talk) 06:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Section on the Bible[edit]

That section must be either rewritten, or deleted. I reverted the last edits by User:Andrew_Swallow: you can't just go through the Bible and choose whatever verses you like and claim they support women's rights. There must be reliable sources (WP:RS) citing these verses as being pro-women's rights, otherwise it is WP:OR. Incidentally, you have chosen verses which, far from being beneficial to women, have been used and are still used, to support women's oppression, such as forced marriage and servitude inside marriage. I didn't delete all the section, but it is in urgent need of reform.123username (talk) 22:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

You are talking about two rights here (a) the right for women to marry and (b) the right to choose/reject the man. The quote says nothing about choice so anyone using it to support forced marriage is probably misusing the verse. (I did not include the verses telling women to obey their husbands or that punishes a rapist by basically forcing him to eat his victim's (burnt?) cooking for life.)
Are these women's rights? For most of history the prime alternatives to marriage have been for a woman to become a nun or a prostitute. Consequently there are plenty of pimps and rakes who suspect they will gain from the abolition of marriage. Where as there are plenty of girls who nag their boy friends into marrying them, so women appear to both like and gain from marriage.
Anything that puts a duty on a man is a cost to him, so on the face of it those verses are not men's right - although a man may honour them as part of a deal.
It is far from impossible that in the last 2000 years someone noticeable has used these verses to support women's rights. Andrew Swallow (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
@Andrew Swallow: Religious text are primary sources, Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. See WP:WPNOTRS and WP:PSTS. Rupert Loup (talk) 00:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
So each quote needs following by a paragraph saying why it is or is not a woman's right that references secondary sources. Andrew Swallow (talk) 01:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)