Talk:Women's rights

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Section on the Bible[edit]

That section must be either rewritten, or deleted. I reverted the last edits by User:Andrew_Swallow: you can't just go through the Bible and choose whatever verses you like and claim they support women's rights. There must be reliable sources (WP:RS) citing these verses as being pro-women's rights, otherwise it is WP:OR. Incidentally, you have chosen verses which, far from being beneficial to women, have been used and are still used, to support women's oppression, such as forced marriage and servitude inside marriage. I didn't delete all the section, but it is in urgent need of reform.123username (talk) 22:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

You are talking about two rights here (a) the right for women to marry and (b) the right to choose/reject the man. The quote says nothing about choice so anyone using it to support forced marriage is probably misusing the verse. (I did not include the verses telling women to obey their husbands or that punishes a rapist by basically forcing him to eat his victim's (burnt?) cooking for life.)
Are these women's rights? For most of history the prime alternatives to marriage have been for a woman to become a nun or a prostitute. Consequently there are plenty of pimps and rakes who suspect they will gain from the abolition of marriage. Where as there are plenty of girls who nag their boy friends into marrying them, so women appear to both like and gain from marriage.
Anything that puts a duty on a man is a cost to him, so on the face of it those verses are not men's right - although a man may honour them as part of a deal.
It is far from impossible that in the last 2000 years someone noticeable has used these verses to support women's rights. Andrew Swallow (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
@Andrew Swallow: Religious text are primary sources, Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. See WP:WPNOTRS and WP:PSTS. Rupert Loup (talk) 00:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
So each quote needs following by a paragraph saying why it is or is not a woman's right that references secondary sources. Andrew Swallow (talk) 01:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2016[edit]

some mong pressed enter and created a paragraph half way through the sentence, i would like to fix this error. You can find this mistake in the medieval Europe section on the 6th line where it just says "their" Dank memes melt steel beams (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cannolis (talk) 13:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Relevant discussion and work to be done[edit]

To all involved: there is a discussion relating to this article and Women in Greece, located here. Both pages have sections which are virtually identical, but each claims that the other is the main page. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 19:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Anti-western bias[edit]

There seems to be little critizism of islam in the part about the qoran. While there are many falshoods in the part about christianity (in renaissance section). Like that it were the chruch who burned witches, even thought they were the people who stopped them. Another strange line is in the part about Germany, baltic countries and Scandinavia, where it is claimed that that the reason people who killed, kidnapped or harmed women were punished harder and had to pay more to the victim were because women were valued for breeding (nothing else). Where do this opinion come from and could there be another reason?

It is also abhorrent that race has been mixed into this article. What do slavery and race has to do with womens right, especially in the western world? The USA is the only country that even had another race living in their country. This is about women, not Africans. It is also peculiar that the reasoning behind why women should not have equal rights has been lost, the only thing that is said again and again is inferior. In what way were they viewed as inferior and why would it be a bad idea for society to give women equal rights as men? One prominent argument I can remember were that women would stop marrying many men, especially those with less income, creating problems.

Trough the article it is an obvious anti-western bias. It is also important not to over dramatizise womens conditions in history (in every country). There is no evidence that they have lived less comfertable lives than males. If a women suffered it were probably two men that did the same.2.150.51.3 (talk) 22:40, 12 July 2016 (UTC)