Talk:Yumeko Aizome

Contested deletion

Why should this be deleted? I translated this page from the original japanese Wiki page, which includes references, as a contribution to asian month. The article is about a notable actress. I've added the "translated page" template to the talk page to show that the information on this page is a translation from a different language wiki. Did I do something wrong? Sage X (talk) 12:06, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

To expand on this a bit further, this article is about a notable actress who has had a major role in 4 of the biggest Japanese movies of the 1930s that are watched by western audiences to this day. Is the issue that there are no references? As far as I can tell there are no English biographies on her, therefore I can't provide any references except for Japanese language ones, but those can be seen on the corresponding page on the Japanese Wiki from which I've translated most of the content from. After translating the page I immediately added the translated tag to the talk page to explain the lack of references. I don't understand the "Credible claim of significance" tag, because a lot of her contemporaries have pages on the English Wikipedia, and she is definitely not less notable than a lot of other Japanese actors that have their own pages on here. Sage X (talk) 12:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

>>KEEP. Noted that Aizome has over 100 films in the JMDb in Japanese. Aizome is notable as an actress. I will update the films as I get a chance. Thanks, SWP13 (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Yumeko did not die in 2002

Just to put this out there, there has been a misconception/misinformation going around this past year that Yumeko supposedly died in 2002, which is not true at all.

The issue started when somebody changed her date of death on the Japanese Wikipedia from "year unknown" to "after 2002", because a book from 2002 supposedly features Yumeko in some way. However, this information was then misinterpreted by the Polish Wikipedia page about Yumeko when they "sourced" it from a Japanese movie site that simply mirrors the text of the Japanese wikipedia page (meaning the Polish page used Wikipedia as a source for Wikipedia) to incorrectly state 2002 as the year of death on her Polish Wikipedia page (not "after 2002"). This then made somebody else use the Polish Yumeko Wikipedia page as a source on Wikidata to change her year of death on Wikidata to 2002, which then made many people think that she died in 2002. As you can see this is a mess all started by one edit on her Japanese Wikipedia page, which is still misinterpreted by many who look at the Japanese page since all they do is see the number 2002 without bothering to transle the context and automatically assume 2002 means her year of death.

The reason I haven't added "after 2002" on the English page is because it's unknown in what way Yumeko is even featured in the book. The way it sounds is that some personal pictures or other things were provided to the book, but that could have easily been done by Yumeko's daughter Naoko who's still alive. The Japanese page also states that it's unknown how the book "acquired the materials".

It should be noted that on the Japanese Wikipedia page, when you click on "after 2002" it still takes you to the "year of death unknown" page the way it always has since even before the "after 2002" was added, because the year is still unknown after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sage X (talk • contribs) 04:24, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Is she still alive?

@Sage X:: Hi, I'm just checking in out of curiosity to find out whether Yumeko Aizome is still alive. If she is as of 2022, that would make her 107 years old this year. You seem to have some knowledge of her background. On a personal note...I think she was a very beautiful woman in her prime. Cheers! Yekshemesh (talk) 05:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Yekshemesh

106 is hard to believe and a number of her contemporaries like Sumiko Mizukubo also don't have a known death date. One could assume Yumeko's daughter might have put out an obituary if she died, but I personally don't think Yumeko is still around. One way to find out once and for all would be if someone got in touch with Yumeko's daughter.

The most promising lead I've ever found is the following; around 20 years ago, a fan wrote a letter to Yumeko and got a response from her daughter.

This tweet: https://twitter.com/naoko65GS/status/1464767102967902209 states: "I wrote a letter to Yumeko Aizome and sent her some movie pictures, I received a warm reply from Aizome's daughter who said that Aizome looked at the pictures and felt nostalgic." In another tweet, the same person states that this was around 20 years ago. The same person has another tweet where he phrases it as "When Yumeko Aizome was alive, I wrote her a letter". He also knew her address and sometimes went by her house during that time as he says in another tweet. Since this fan is dedicated enough to know her address and write letters, I'd say the tweet saying "When Yumeko Aizome was alive" is as close to proof as we can get that she's no longer with us, as a fan like that would most likely know about her situation. I had previously heard of a rumor saying Yumeko died in the early 2010s, but it was just a baseless rumor with no way to verify it.

Thank you for your interest in Yumeko

Sage X (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Sage X Cheers, Sage. I'm wondering if there is any way we can solve this little mystery. Unfortunately I speak pitifully little Japanese and I've been unable to dig up anything on Google, whether in English or Japanese that's related to her passing (if indeed she has passed on). Neither do İ have a Twitter account. İs it possible for us to get in touch with this fan who probably knows much more, and who could maybe help us connect with Ms Aizome's daughter? Would it amount to OR if we did find out and updated the page? Thanks again. Yekshemesh (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)