Talk:Yusuf Meddah

GA Review

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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 12:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Happy to review the article. AM

Review comments

Lead section / infobox

• Link Varqa ve Gülşah (Varqa ve Gülşah), here and in the Poetry section).

• The Azviki article is about Varqa ve Gülşah by another Azerbaijani poet, Məsihi. It has little relevance to Yusuf Meddah. — Golden ^talk

Understood. AM

• Use the image from the above article in the Azerbaijani Wikipedia (here) in the infobox.

• That image is the cover of Varqa ve Gülşah by Məsihi, not Meddah. — Golden ^talk

Understood. AM

• Link poet; couplets; aruz (Aruz wezni, here and in the Poetry section).

• The words "poet" and "couplets" are common words, so I don't believe they need to be wikilinked. I've also removed the wikilink to "poet" in the infobox. I have added a wikilink for "Aruz". — Golden ^talk

I agree, except that I would let the reader decide if couplet is a common word, and link it. Amitchell125 (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I've wikilinked couplet. — Golden ^talk 15:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• His most famous work – amend to ‘Meddah’s most famous work’ (it’s a Wikipedia thing).

• Done. — Golden ^talk

• Maktel-i Hüseyn, Hâmûşnâme, and Dâsitân-ı İblîs aleyhi'l-la'ne – should be written as {{lang|az|Maktel-i Hüseyn}}, {{lang|az|Hâmûşnâme}}, and {{lang|az|Dâsitân-ı İblîs aleyhi'l-la'ne}}. I would consider adding these to the infobox.

• I added the templates and rewrote the work titles using the ALA-LC transliteration scheme. Regarding your second point, none of these works are as notable as Varqa ve Gülşah, so I don’t think they should be included in the infobox. — Golden ^talk

• Consider amending other non-English words where they occur in the article in the same way as {{lang|az|Maktel-i Hüseyn}}.

• Done. — Golden ^talk

• fluent in Azerbaijani – unlink Azerbaijani here, as it's a duplicate link.

• One link is a wikilink to "Azerbaijani literature" while the other is a link to the "Azerbaijani language". This hasn't been a problem in my previous GAs. — Golden ^talk

I'm unclear, neither appears to link to "Azerbaijani literature". Amitchell125 (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh, are you counting the link in the lang template? I wasn't sure if that counted. In that case, I'll remove it — Golden ^talk 13:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I am indeed. AM

1 Life

• Link divan (Diwan (poetry)); proverbs; idioms; Arabic folk tale (possibly Arabic epic literature?).

• I've wikilinked "divan" and "Arabic folk tale". However, "proverbs" and "idioms" are common words, so I don't think they need to be wikilinked. — Golden ^talk

I disagree. There's clearly no hard-and-fast rule to apply about common words, but idiom is not a well-understood word at all, and so should be linked. Amitchell125 (talk) 13:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I've wikilinked idiom. — Golden ^talk

• the Mevlevi Order – is linked, but I would give a brief explanation about the order here, as readers may not be familiar with it.

• Done. — Golden ^talk

2 Poetry

• three thousand couplets – amend to ‘3000 couplets’ (for the sake of consistency).

• Amended to "3,000". — Golden ^talk

4 References

• Aksoy – the title should not all be in capital letters. The same applies to Eren.

• Done. — Golden ^talk

(Not GA):

• Babayev – the translated title (approximately ‘Organization of Native Azerbaijan Literature and Development of Epic Poetry (13th-14th centuries)’ could be included.

• Done. — Golden ^talk

• Mustafeyev – there is a url available here.

• Added, thanks. — Golden ^talk

No copyright issues found, spot checks seem fine to me. AM

Further sources to investigate

• Grace Martin Smith’s book Varqa Ve Gülşāh: A Fourteenth Century Anatolian Turkish Mes̲nevī (there is a url available here) would be useful for readers of this article, and contains information to help improve the article. Pages 4-6 contain biographical details, for instance.

• Very helpful, thank you. I've added it. — Golden ^talk

(Not GA):

• Possibly of interest is page 30 in the introduction to this book, which refers to a contemporary of Meddah, who wrote a similar romance.

• I don't think there's anything to add from that. — Golden ^talk

• See also this and this. This book may also be of interest.

• The Cambridge review doesn't contribute much to our existing knowledge, and the third link refers to a work by another author with the same title. However, the second link is valuable, and I've included it in the article. We can use this source to expand the article in the future. — Golden ^talk

• Are any of his works translated into English and available online?

• I'm not aware of any, and to be honest, after expanding the article with the two new sources, I don't have the energy to research it right now. I may look into it more if I decide to further develop the article in the future. — Golden ^talk

On hold

I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 23 August to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 09:19, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: Thank you for the review. The sources you discovered were very helpful in expanding the article. I've addressed your points in my previous responses. — Golden ^talk 15:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses, and apologies for misreading the Azerbaijani texts. I'll be crossing out where issues have been addressed, and if necessary adding a small red cross (N) where it seems an issue still needs to be sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: I've implemented the remaining three suggestions. — Golden ^talk 15:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Passing

Passing the article, now off to brush up on my Turkic languages... Well done. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:41, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 15:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that a 14th-century work, originally attributed to another poet, was discovered in 2018 to be the creation of the Azerbaijani poet Yusuf Meddah? Source: Kayaokay, İlyas (2022). 14. Asrın Yeni Keşfedilen İki Eseri: Hikâyet-i Yemâme / Sehâvet-i Imâm 'Ali (in Turkish). pp. 27–28. Erzurumlu Darir'in mesnevisi olarak bilinen 2000 beyit hacmindeki bu eserin, 2018 yılında Sadık Yazar tarafından yayımlanan bir makaleyle Yusuf-ı Meddah'a ait olduğu ispatlanmıştır.
  • ALT1: ... that the poetry of the 14th-century poet Yusuf Meddah played a role in shaping the Azerbaijani literary language? Source: Mustafayev, Shahin (2013). "Ethnolinguistic Processes in the Turkic Milieu of Anatolia and Azerbaijan (14th–15th Centuries)". Cluj University Press. p 335. As viewed by some specialists, the language of works of such famous poets of that period as Şeyhoğlu, Aşık–Pasha, Şeyhi from Germiyan, Ahmed Dai, and Ahmedi constituted the basis of the old Anatolian or Ottoman language, while the poems of Hasanoğlu (the 13th century), Mustafa Zarir, Yusif Maddah, Suli Faqih, Qadı Burhaneddin Ahmed, and Nasimi greatly contributed to the establishment of the Azerbaijani literary language.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward A. McGurk
  • Comment: The article was designated as a Good Article on 18 August 2023.

Created by Golden (talk). Self-nominated at 21:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Yusuf Meddah; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Golden: Good article. AGF on foreign language sources. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)